If I were the last Christian

[UndecidedFrog]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. My opinions are my own. You do not have to accept them if you dislike them.

Dear MorningGlory,

Thank you for your comments.

Passing 'hate crime' legislation will not stop the evil perpetrated by man and, yes, it's my belief that it's God's job to deal with homosexuals. Is it a proven fact that those who killed that poor man because he was gay (or perceived to be gay) were Christians or muslims, Jews, Hindus or....what? Were they atheists? I don't remember ever hearing that they killed him for religious reasons, nonreligious reasons or ANY reason other than just to see him die.

True. Passing hate crime legislation does not prevent bad behavior. However, it does up the penalty of such crimes to the point where (hopefully) some would think twice before behaving as badly. In this way, laws serve as both deterrant and consequence to unwanted bad behavior.

It is not a proven fact that those who killed Matthew Shepard killed him because he was perceived to be gay. However, the juries that tried the respective cases of the two now-convicted felons did believe (beyond a shawdow of a doubt) that they killed Matthew because they thought him to be a homosexual. I do not know of the religious beliefs of the two now-incarcerated felons.

Regards,

UF

[MorningGlory]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. My opinions are my own. You do not have to accept them if you dislike them.

Dear MorningGlory,

You said:

So you get a longer "life without parole" or "death" penalty under the "Hate Crime" laws? Or will it be used to silence free speech? We shall see, we shall see.

If you define the torture and murder of a perceived homosexual as "free speech" as was done to Matthew Shepard, I support the limiting of this type of free speech.

Regards,

UF

That's not even close to what he said.

Please enlighten me on what you think he meant to say.

I am curious.

Regards,

UF

He didn't equate hate crimes and free speech. He pointed out that passing the legislation isn't going to give a longer life sentence or death sentence to the guilty. And he asked if these laws will be used to curtail free speech. It's right there in his post.

[Rick-Parker]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. My opinions are my own. You do not have to accept them if you dislike them.

Dear MorningGlory,

You said:

Homosexuality IS an abomination...onto the Lord. It is for Him to deal with, not us.

I am glad that your position is to leave any alleged abomination for your god to deal with, and that you should not deal with it. I hope you can convince all your brethren to a similar position as well. If you are successful, perceived homosexuals would not have to fear for their lives, and the point of such recently enacted legislation would be moot.

Regards,

UF

Gays don't fear for their lives. They are so in your face about their sexuality that what you say cannot be true. You are just one of the gullible ones, you advance their agenda. And don't say "what agenda" or "they don't have an agenda" because you know very well that they have one, one that they are being successful in promoting (among Dems and the liberal ilk, anyway).

[Rick-Parker]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. My opinions are my own. You do not have to accept them if you dislike them.

Dear MorningGlory,

You said:

So you get a longer "life without parole" or "death" penalty under the "Hate Crime" laws? Or will it be used to silence free speech? We shall see, we shall see.

If you define the torture and murder of a perceived homosexual as "free speech" as was done to Matthew Shepard, I support the limiting of this type of free speech.

Regards,

UF

That's not even close to what he said.

Please enlighten me on what you think he meant to say.

I am curious.

Regards,

UF

Let me tell you what I meant. Is the law going to bring longer sentences than one would get for murder in general? Will it add more time to a sentence of "live without parole" or cause a harsher execution to a sentence of "death?" No.

Or - will the law be used to silence those who speak out against homosexuality? Will it be used to silence those who speak out against Islam and it's dangers? Will it be used to silence those who speak out against socialism, labeling it as "racism?" Will it be used to silence those who speak out against abortion? Will it be used to silence those who disagree with the government or advance "conservative" ideals via the media? You know, free speech.

Is that simple enough for you? I could probably find some pictures if you need them. Just ribbing ya!

[ollkiller]

Gays don't fear for their lives. They are so in your face about their sexuality that what you say cannot be true.

Not all gay people are the camp kind. The few friends who i know who are homosexual never bring up their sexuality. Boo to generalisations.

[MorningGlory]

Gays don't fear for their lives. They are so in your face about their sexuality that what you say cannot be true.

Not all gay people are the camp kind. The few friends who i know who are homosexual never bring up their sexuality. Boo to generalisations.

That's very true; the gays I know just go about their lives without drawing attention to themselves. In fact, none of them even participated in the parade here in Houston. We need to forget about stereotypes .... of any group of people because we are ALL part of some group.

[Rick-Parker]

The generalization was begun when the statement was made that gays feared for their lives. Go to San Francisco, New York, Denver or any major city and tell me they fear for there lives. Go into the high schools in American cities and towns and tell me the fear for their lives. Don't blame me for generalizations. Look in the mirror.

[Rick-Parker]

Oh, Canada - LA LA LA.

[UndecidedFrog]

DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian. My opinions are my own. You do not have to accept them if you dislike them.

Dear Parker1,

Thank you for clarifying your previous post:

Let me tell you what I meant. Is the law going to bring longer sentences than one would get for murder in general? Will it add more time to a sentence of "live without parole" or cause a harsher execution to a sentence of "death?" No.

Or - will the law be used to silence those who speak out against homosexuality? Will it be used to silence those who speak out against Islam and it's dangers? Will it be used to silence those who speak out against socialism, labeling it as "racism?" Will it be used to silence those who speak out against abortion? Will it be used to silence those who disagree with the government or advance "conservative" ideals via the media? You know, free speech.

Is that simple enough for you? I could probably find some pictures if you need them. Just ribbing ya!

The bill that President Obama signed into law recently adds 2 very important changes to existing hate crime laws:

1) Proving that the victim was homosexual or black, etc. is no longer necessary. All prosecutors will have to show is that there was a perception of the victim as a homosexual, etc.

2) The victim does not need to be in the act of a federally- protected activity (e.g voting), for the crime to be determined as a hate crime.

I think these are good changes.

I do not see how the law can be used to silence those who speak out against blacks or homosexuals. However, I do see how the law can be used to punish those people who would commit crimes against people they perceive as black or homosexual.

I you do have pictures, I would like to see them.

Regards,

UF

[Guest]

.... DISCLAIMER: I am not a christian ....

Sin

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:9

The Heart Of Hate

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Proverbs 8:36

Jesus

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

The Heart Of Love

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Unbelief

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:12

The Heart Of Evil

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 10:29

Believe In Jesus

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36

Or Not

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-25

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe