14 reasons not to believe in Macro-Evolution

[MorningGlory]

Bump....

Lurker, you haven't answered my question.

Both myself and others have had threads which sought to explain this subject deleted here in the past. I'm working on figuring out a way to explain this to you without violating non-existent rules but, as you can imagine, it's kind of hard. But I'll keep you posted. Thanks.

Lurker

Well, just post links and tell us to go read it ourselves. I don't think that would be a problem.

[ollkiller]

Both myself and others have had threads which sought to explain this subject deleted here in the past. I'm working on figuring out a way to explain this to you without violating non-existent rules but, as you can imagine, it's kind of hard. But I'll keep you posted.

Interpretation:

I have absolutely no verifiable scientific evidence to present so I will continue hiding behind the

[MorningGlory]

Well, just post links and tell us to go read it ourselves. I don't think that would be a problem.

Except that I've been told specifically by moderators that links that teach evolution are prohibited. That kind of makes the above suggestion problematic.

Lurker

So you can't post links to pictures and descriptions of transitional fossils? Or the opinions of scientists? You can't tell us the names of researchers who have published papers on this? How would that be teaching evolution?

[MorningGlory]

The church refers to any and every religious institution. It doesn't matter what it is, all religions try to indoctrinate kids.

On the whole, I think the whole "indoctrination" argument from both sides here is overblown. Creationists worrying about their kids being 'indoctrinated' in science class are roughly equivalent to Dawkin's ridiculous claims that religious parents are abusing their children by 'indoctrinating' them in church. Everyone indoctrinates their kids with their own beliefs and values, it's called parenting. When those kids get older they can decide for themselves whether or not they want to hold on to those beliefs and values or get new ones, which they often do as evidenced by both atheists becoming Christians and Christians becoming atheists. Consider my two cents dispensed.

Lurker

And to that, Lurker, a resounding 'Amen'.

[MorningGlory]

The problem is, when the religious indoctrinate, they promise rewards, but also punishment (and a nice, fiery punishment at that). Science (and even your outlandish claim of Darwinian "religion") does not require worship. They do not require obedience and they do not punish those that reject evolution. Evolution is for anyone to accept or reject, no rewards or punishments involved. Religious indoctrination uses god's love to try and sway children, and when that doesn't work the promise of eternal hell comes into play. Big difference.

Well, it's the truth. Would you prefer lying to them?

[Guest]

.... Science (and even your outlandish claim of Darwinian "religion") does not require worship. They do not require obedience and they do not punish those ....

Ah! Contraire Dear One, Contraire! You Say You See! You See The Truth You Say......

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 9:41

Yet You Brag And You Strut And Claim You Have No Faith......

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:9

And You Preach Death Is All There Is......

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28-29

Until The Bell Toils For You.......

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:36

That Is.......

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 44:24

[Guest]

.... Oh come on. You're telling me that if you looked at any adaptation associated to predator-prey relationships outside of any consideration of evolution that you would not come to the erroneous conclusion that these adaptations were directly designed? Let's take a simpler example like venomous snakes where we can safely say, even within your view, that the ability to locate and kill prey is a result of multiple evolutionary adaptations. If you had no knowledge of evolutionary theory or if you rejected evolution wholesale wouldn't you probably look at such adaptations and say "hey, that must have been perfectly designed via instantaneous creation"? ....

Before And After

Perfect Before Sin

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:30-31

Perfect After The Return Of The LORD Jesus

The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 11:6-9

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.... Given the above hypothetical, isn't it fair to say that some things that appeared designed prior to our current knowledge of evolutionary theory, are in fact the product of natural evolutionary mechanisms? ....

In Fact

God Created

For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:18

Man Sinned

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 5:12

Jesus Saves

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:21-22

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Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:9-11

[BornAtheist]

So you still have to convince me that we have an old earth without using Radiometric dating.

Score Evolutionists 1

Creationists 13

Spreading rates of the Atlantic Seafloor (paleomagnetism confirms movement for millions of years)

Thick layers of Ooze

Thick formations made of clay without lamination because of bioturbation

Coral reefs

Best regards

Edited November 19, 2009 by BornAtheist

[BornAtheist]

So you still have to convince me that we have an old earth without using Radiometric dating.

Score Evolutionists 1

Creationists 13

Spreading rates of the Atlantic Seafloor (paleomagnetism confirms movement for millions of years)

Thick layers of Ooze

Thick formations made of clay without lamination because of bioturbation

Coral reefs

Best regards

Welcome to the board and back to the topic - can you provide evidence from science that 'Macro-Evolution' is science?

I don't think so. I'm a geologist, not a biologist. Can you provide evidence from science that the compounded effects of "Micro-Evolution" doesn't lead to "Macro-Evolution"?

[MorningGlory]

So you still have to convince me that we have an old earth without using Radiometric dating.

Score Evolutionists 1

Creationists 13

Spreading rates of the Atlantic Seafloor (paleomagnetism confirms movement for millions of years)

Thick layers of Ooze

Thick formations made of clay without lamination because of bioturbation

Coral reefs

Best regards

Welcome to the board and back to the topic - can you provide evidence from science that 'Macro-Evolution' is science?

I don't think so. I'm a geologist, not a biologist. Can you provide evidence from science that the compounded effects of "Micro-Evolution" doesn't lead to "Macro-Evolution"?

Is it within the scope of science to demonstrate the compounded effects of "Micro-Evolution" can lead to "Macro-Evolution"? Where does the information come from to change a theropod lung into an avian flow-through lung?

Nowhere. It didn't happen.