Anyone convert from OEC to YEC?

[spiritman]

So I'm wondering...

Has anyone here changed their position from an old-earther to a young earther while a christian, and if so, what was it that changed your position?

Or, has anyone converted to christianity because of the appeal of young earth creationism?

Blessings,

Andy

When I was first born-again, I believed the interpretations of theologians for YEC but then changed my mind based on the hebrew words used and what the bible actually says (and ignoring what it doesn't say)

I usually get accused as being an "evolutionist" just because I say that there can not be a 24-hour day before the sun was created. The entire debate hinges on how long a "yom" is and there is no specific answer to that question since a "yom" means an "epoch" which can be anything from 6 nanoseconds or 47 trillion years. Whatever...

But it's a pointless argument, especially if you want to lead someone to Jesus. Total distraction from what matters most. I would never think of bringing it up to a non-believer

So Yod, let's do some english, what do the words Evening and Morning mean to you?

[spiritman]

Back on topic now. When I first became a Christian I wan an Old Earther simply because when I was in school evolution was being taught so I figured the best way to get along with the majority was to go along with the majority, after all how could those scientists in their white lab coats be wrong or trying to deceive us. That would make it a conspiracy

thing. I used to think the YEC were crazy, until I actually started reading my Bible and found out the truth.

[~candice~]

Back on topic now. When I first became a Christian I wan an Old Earther simply because when I was in school evolution was being taught so I figured the best way to get along with the majority was to go along with the majority, after all how could those scientists in their white lab coats be wrong or trying to deceive us. That would make it a conspiracy

thing. I used to think the YEC were crazy, until I actually started reading my Bible and found out the truth.

Thanks Spiritman

Very interesting. I've been pondering lately on the amount of summersaults and triple pike twists I needed to do in order to get the Word to support OEC, and thinking that it need not be this hard!

Do you feel like you were convicted by the Spirit about this?

[Guest yod]

So I'm wondering...

Has anyone here changed their position from an old-earther to a young earther while a christian, and if so, what was it that changed your position?

Or, has anyone converted to christianity because of the appeal of young earth creationism?

Blessings,

Andy

When I was first born-again, I believed the interpretations of theologians for YEC but then changed my mind based on the hebrew words used and what the bible actually says (and ignoring what it doesn't say)

I usually get accused as being an "evolutionist" just because I say that there can not be a 24-hour day before the sun was created. The entire debate hinges on how long a "yom" is and there is no specific answer to that question since a "yom" means an "epoch" which can be anything from 6 nanoseconds or 47 trillion years. Whatever...

But it's a pointless argument, especially if you want to lead someone to Jesus. Total distraction from what matters most. I would never think of bringing it up to a non-believer

So Yod, let's do some english, what do the words Evening and Morning mean to you?

if the bible had been written in english there might be a point to such an excercise.

use the terms "darkness" and "light" instead

Now explain how there can be darkness and light on the land (not the earth necessarily) before the Sun appeared. To me, it's simple but I'd love to hear you figure it out.

[Guest yod]

When discussing this with believers like yourself who have had YEC christian theology spoon fed to them, I get attacked because they see my viewpoint as a threat to their faith.

C'est la vie - you do err once again just as you did when you accused me of being a Democrat

[spiritman]

So I'm wondering...

Has anyone here changed their position from an old-earther to a young earther while a christian, and if so, what was it that changed your position?

Or, has anyone converted to christianity because of the appeal of young earth creationism?

Blessings,

Andy

When I was first born-again, I believed the interpretations of theologians for YEC but then changed my mind based on the hebrew words used and what the bible actually says (and ignoring what it doesn't say)

I usually get accused as being an "evolutionist" just because I say that there can not be a 24-hour day before the sun was created. The entire debate hinges on how long a "yom" is and there is no specific answer to that question since a "yom" means an "epoch" which can be anything from 6 nanoseconds or 47 trillion years. Whatever...

But it's a pointless argument, especially if you want to lead someone to Jesus. Total distraction from what matters most. I would never think of bringing it up to a non-believer

So Yod, let's do some english, what do the words Evening and Morning mean to you?

if the bible had been written in english there might be a point to such an excercise.

use the terms "darkness" and "light" instead

Now explain how there can be darkness and light on the land (not the earth necessarily) before the Sun appeared. To me, it's simple but I'd love to hear you figure it out.

Well the english words evening and morning are very clear to me; I don't even need a hebrew lexicon to figure it out. As far as trying to figure out how darkness and light could be on the earth without there being a sun, I don't have any ideal. I guess it's just one of those questions that will have to wait until we see Christ Himself.

But I will say this in passing; I don't see how anyone can agree with the OEC ideal, and not be denying the whole salvation thing. the two aren't compatible.

[spiritman]

Back on topic now. When I first became a Christian I wan an Old Earther simply because when I was in school evolution was being taught so I figured the best way to get along with the majority was to go along with the majority, after all how could those scientists in their white lab coats be wrong or trying to deceive us. That would make it a conspiracy

thing. I used to think the YEC were crazy, until I actually started reading my Bible and found out the truth.

Thanks Spiritman

Very interesting. I've been pondering lately on the amount of summersaults and triple pike twists I needed to do in order to get the Word to support OEC, and thinking that it need not be this hard!

Do you feel like you were convicted by the Spirit about this?

Well, when you put the book of Genesis in with other scripture, You have to come to the conclusion, that if the earth were billions of years old, and death came before adams sin then there would be no reason for Christ to come down here and die for our sins.

[Guest HIS girl]

'~andy~'

Has anyone here changed their position from an old-earther to a young earther while a christian, and if so, what was it that changed your position?

Held the OE position due to public school system teachings.

Rejected evolution as theory of origins of mankind at 14/15 years of age - prior to accepting Christ as my personal Saviour and LORD - yet still held the OE position.

Became a Christian, started (and am continuing to study the Word), by doing this, I accepted the Bible and its contents in the face of different/opposing Christian teachings.

That's my story -

[Guest yod]

I don't see how anyone can agree with the OEC ideal, and not be denying the whole salvation thing. the two aren't compatible.

it's easy....not contradiction whatsoever!?

But the explanation might take years of immersion into the hebraic mindset to understand what Moses was actually saying and what he was not saying. Basically, I don't apply philosophy to the text. I let the words say what they say (in the original language) and accept it. I don't add to or subtract from what the text literally says.

I don't assume things that aren't said and allow for the broadest definition of the terms used. I accept that the universe was very different back then and its therefore impossible for us to imagine all details and circumstances of Creation from this point in time.

It has nothing to do with salvation and God is as powerful and creative in my OEC world as He is in any scenario you can imagine.

[nebula]

I've been trying to respect the OP by not getting into this - but I wanted to respond to this.

But the explanation might take years of immersion into the hebraic mindset to understand what Moses was actually saying and what he was not saying.

Are you saying that by using a good English translation of the OT one CANNOT understand God