Fullness of the Gentiles?

[rollinTHUNDER]

OK....

I guess I'm not getting through....so let me put it in the form of a question.

In the opinion of the Board....is it "possible" that the TIMES of the Gentiles and the FULLNESS of the Gentiles are not the same thing?

My opinion is that they are not.

Hi yod,

I didn't mean to throw you a curve there. Times of Gentiles fulfilled and fullness of Gentiles, I believe they mean the same thing. But maybe I shouldn't have made the switch?

Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter if we go our separate ways here. We're gonna find out for certain soon enough. Nice chattin' with ya!!

[Matthitjah]

Brethren,

Quote Yod,

And I think you are correct....because that is probably all that will get them to cry out;

Yes as Paul has stated. We can only provoke some of them to jealuosy. G-d has hardened their heart and a veil covers their eyes so they can only partially see.

When will they see Him? When He comes in glory and then they mourn over Him they pierced as an only son.

Revelation 3 states

paraphrasing

All eyes will see Him coming in Glory even those who pierced Him.

He told the Jews of His time "I go away and where I go you cannot, You will not see me again until you say Holy is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

We in the body can go where He is every day any time we want.(Spiritually)

GBU Saints,

Good discussion!

Peace :il: Amen

[Guest shadow2b]

However, I think your view is a little skewed as well according to your own biasness.

Biasness? Is that a word?

Bias? What bias? We don't have no bias........We don't need to show you any stinkin' bias! [blazing Saddles]

In the first of January of 1990 I was a devout atheist out to prove the Bible and christianity was a farce. By the end of the month I was a born again spirit filled on fire goy in a messianic congregation where I continued for 6 years [while still visiting many churches of all denominations to fellowship with the larger body]

After that I joined a local non-denominational church to put down roots in my community. I was there another 6 years. I am currently back in a small messianic congregation because they needed my help with the worship team.

My bias is for the body and for truth. I move with total liberty in either "way"

I have seen some Messianic Jewish papers/magazines which list Gentile Messianic churches as "Messianic Jewish Congregations", either out of ignorance or out of trying to make their numbers look larger than they really are.

Since there is only one Messianic magazine [The Messianic Times out of Canada] I assume that is where you get your information???

First of all, it is true that the average messianic congregation is somewhere between 50-70 people. Because they are so small they will usually share a church building because they meet on Saturday when the regular church meets on Sunday. This might be the reason you got that impression. I also know that where there are large messianic congregations, there are small churches who share their buildings also.

Secondly, it costs money to be listed in the Messianic Times and I know of 5 congregations in the Dallas area alone who are not listed because of the price.

I will keep your post though, for reference purposes and will do some additional study.

Thank you and God Bless,

Dad Ernie

Thanks Dad.....I find you just as stubborn as I am but humble enough to consider the facts. I like that very much about you. Keep on sharpening me...

Love,

yod

actually it comes from a Humphrey Bogart,Tim HOLT,Walter HOUSTON movie" the treasure of the sierra madre" for which Walter HUston won an academy Award & his son John Huston wrote & directed the movie & presented the oscar to his dad... "badges,badges,we ain't got no stinkin badges

we don't got to show you no stinkin badges"...the mexican actor who said those words { his first acting job} went on to appear in many,many movies..I forget his name just now but he was a very good "badman"......................{Gary}---- :upsided:

[Guest shadow2b]

So you guys can have all the theological theories you want. Jerusalem is NOT controlled by anyone but Israel therefore the Times of the Gentiles have been fulfilled. This is that which was spoken of by Yeshua Himself in Luke 21.

Hi yod,

I would have to disagree here. You may have a lot more knowledge about Israel and Jerusalem, but as long as gentile believers are still being saved, the fullness of the Gentiles is not finished yet. Also, it is very easy to see that Israel is still temporarily blinded, and like the scriptures say, Jerusalem is, and will remain a stumblingblock to all who try to move that burdensome stone. It is still a cup of trembling, and I believe it will continue that way until the rapture and then again after the AC breaks his unholy covenant, then God will gather all nations round about for the battle of Armageddon. Blessings to you!!

OK....

I guess I'm not getting through....so let me put it in the form of a question.

In the opinion of the Board....is it "possible" that the TIMES of the Gentiles and the FULLNESS of the Gentiles are not the same thing?

My opinion is that they are not.

YEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPpppppppppppppppp--getting thru very weLL too---I agree they areNOT the same thing------------- :upsided: ---------------{Gary}----- :alien: :bg: