New covenant

[Guest shiloh357]

Ezekiel 40-48 show that the sacrifices (excluding the sin offering) will occur again in the Millennial reign of Christ.

It is this type of misinterpretation of Scripture that convinces me more than anything of the need for an infallible Teaching Authority.

Sorry, but the text says what it says. I realize that it is not convenient for Catholics, but then God isn't Catholic. Jesus will be in His Temple receiving those sacrifices. That is what the text says.

[EricH]

Ezekiel 40-48 show that the sacrifices (excluding the sin offering) will occur again in the Millennial reign of Christ.

It is this type of misinterpretation of Scripture that convinces me more than anything of the need for an infallible Teaching Authority.

Sorry, but the text says what it says. I realize that it is not convenient for Catholics, but then God isn't Catholic. Jesus will be in His Temple receiving those sacrifices. That is what the text says.

Thats right, unless one attempts to allegorize those passages (which I don't think is justified)

[leoxiii]

If God is indeed speaking to His people today, then He is doing so in a way in which everybody gets the same message and is bound to the same teaching. Truth cannot contradict truth. Therefore, two men cannot be receiving contradictory teachings from Truth Himself.

Yes, He does not contradict Himself. That is never in question. What is in question is how people, including the pope, interprets the message He is given. You have chosen to blindly follow a man, who is a man and makes mistakes, and take what he says as gospel. I prefer to check it out myself. You know, when you stand before God, He will ask you what you believed, not what the many many popes told you. When you are told that the pope was wrong here and there, He will wonder why you did not check it out for yourself and disagree.

And you are certain that your understanding of Scripture is never in error?

That is my point from the beginning. I am just as human as everyone and do make mistakes. The Pope is just as human as everyone and also makes mistakes. As I stated above, we all make mistakes ....

How can one who is being guided by the Holy Spirit make mistakes?

Is His guidance insufficient?

[leoxiii]

Ezekiel 40-48 show that the sacrifices (excluding the sin offering) will occur again in the Millennial reign of Christ.

It is this type of misinterpretation of Scripture that convinces me more than anything of the need for an infallible Teaching Authority.

Sorry, but the text says what it says. I realize that it is not convenient for Catholics, but then God isn't Catholic. Jesus will be in His Temple receiving those sacrifices. That is what the text says.

Please explain to me the need for an animal sacrifice now that Christ has been sacrificed.

Hebrews 7:26 For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily (as the other priests) to offer sacrifices first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, in offering himself.

Does Jesus need animal sacrifices in addition to His own?

[Guest shiloh357]

Please explain to me the need for an animal sacrifice now that Christ has been sacrificed.

The only sacrifice that was abrogated was the sin offering. That is the only offering not mentioned in Ezekiel 40-48. They will serve the same purpose they originally served. The Bible is replete with prophecies pertaining to the resumption of the sacrifces and the annual festivals during the millennial reign of Christ.

Hebrews 7:26 For it was fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily (as the other priests) to offer sacrifices first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, in offering himself.

Does Jesus need animal sacrifices in addition to His own?

It shows you have a rather one-dimensional understanding of the sacrificial system. In the millennial reign of Christ, the sacrifices are not expiatory, but operate on a more civil level, as they did originally.

One of the things people fail to grasp is that the sacrifices were not the "Old Testament" means of salvation. No one was saved by them in the first place, so they do not in any way compete with the sacrifice of Christ. The burnt offering for example was simply an offering of worship. It was not sin atonement or anything like that.

[Guest shiloh357]

If God is indeed speaking to His people today, then He is doing so in a way in which everybody gets the same message and is bound to the same teaching. Truth cannot contradict truth. Therefore, two men cannot be receiving contradictory teachings from Truth Himself.

Yes, He does not contradict Himself. That is never in question. What is in question is how people, including the pope, interprets the message He is given. You have chosen to blindly follow a man, who is a man and makes mistakes, and take what he says as gospel. I prefer to check it out myself. You know, when you stand before God, He will ask you what you believed, not what the many many popes told you. When you are told that the pope was wrong here and there, He will wonder why you did not check it out for yourself and disagree.

And you are certain that your understanding of Scripture is never in error?

That is my point from the beginning. I am just as human as everyone and do make mistakes. The Pope is just as human as everyone and also makes mistakes. As I stated above, we all make mistakes ....

How can one who is being guided by the Holy Spirit make mistakes?

Is His guidance insufficient?

The Pope is just a man and he will stand before the Lord one day just like the rest of us and will have to give an account of his life. The Pope was born in sin and is a sinner just like the rest of humanity. Becoming "Pope" does not suddenly grant him immunity from mistakes or sins.

[leoxiii]

If God is indeed speaking to His people today, then He is doing so in a way in which everybody gets the same message and is bound to the same teaching. Truth cannot contradict truth. Therefore, two men cannot be receiving contradictory teachings from Truth Himself.

Yes, He does not contradict Himself. That is never in question. What is in question is how people, including the pope, interprets the message He is given. You have chosen to blindly follow a man, who is a man and makes mistakes, and take what he says as gospel. I prefer to check it out myself. You know, when you stand before God, He will ask you what you believed, not what the many many popes told you. When you are told that the pope was wrong here and there, He will wonder why you did not check it out for yourself and disagree.

And you are certain that your understanding of Scripture is never in error?

That is my point from the beginning. I am just as human as everyone and do make mistakes. The Pope is just as human as everyone and also makes mistakes. As I stated above, we all make mistakes ....

How can one who is being guided by the Holy Spirit make mistakes?

Is His guidance insufficient?

The Pope is just a man and he will stand before the Lord one day just like the rest of us and will have to give an account of his life. The Pope was born in sin and is a sinner just like the rest of humanity. Becoming "Pope" does not suddenly grant him immunity from mistakes or sins.

First of all, you did not answer my questions, which were actually addressed to you. You claim you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. How, then, can you make doctrinal mistakes? Is His guidance insufficient for you?

As to your constant reference to the Pope, you need to learn the difference between being impeccable and being infallible. Impeccable means without mistakes and sins. No Pope has ever claimed to be impeccable. Infallible means, well, here is the official definition:

9. Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.

[Guest shiloh357]

First of all, you did not answer my questions, which were actually addressed to you. You claim you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. How, then, can you make doctrinal mistakes? Is His guidance insufficient for you?

I claim to be following the Holy Spirit to the best of my ability. I am not perfect in following the Holy Spirit, so being guided by the Holy Spirit does not preclude being wrong or misunderstanding the leading of the Holy Spirit. The human element is not eradicated.

As to your constant reference to the Pope, you need to learn the difference between being impeccable and being infallible. Impeccable means without mistakes and sins. No Pope has ever claimed to be impeccable. Infallible means, well, here is the official definition:

I do know the difference. My point is that the Pope is a sinner like the rest of us and therefore does not carry any more weight than any other person. He no more special in the eyes of God than anyone else. He is more special in the eyes of his followers, but then the Catholic "church" is just a human, manmade institution that will pass away with this present age along with all other manmade institutions.

[EricH]

First of all, you did not answer my questions, which were actually addressed to you. You claim you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. How, then, can you make doctrinal mistakes? Is His guidance insufficient for you?

I claim to be following the Holy Spirit to the best of my ability. I am not perfect in following the Holy Spirit, so being guided by the Holy Spirit does not preclude being wrong or misunderstanding the leading of the Holy Spirit. The human element is not eradicated.

As to your constant reference to the Pope, you need to learn the difference between being impeccable and being infallible. Impeccable means without mistakes and sins. No Pope has ever claimed to be impeccable. Infallible means, well, here is the official definition:

I do know the difference. My point is that the Pope is a sinner like the rest of us and therefore does not carry any more weight than any other person. He no more special in the eyes of God than anyone else. He is more special in the eyes of his followers, but then the Catholic "church" is just a human, manmade institution that will pass away with this present age along with all other manmade institutions.

The only thing unique about the Pope is that he has assumed the mantle of leadership in the church. As so he will be liable to a stricter judgement by God

Not many should become teachers, my brothers, knowing that we will receive a stricter judgment; (James 3:1 CSB)

[leoxiii]

First of all, you did not answer my questions, which were actually addressed to you. You claim you are being guided by the Holy Spirit. How, then, can you make doctrinal mistakes? Is His guidance insufficient for you?

I claim to be following the Holy Spirit to the best of my ability. I am not perfect in following the Holy Spirit, so being guided by the Holy Spirit does not preclude being wrong or misunderstanding the leading of the Holy Spirit. The human element is not eradicated.

Nice try, my friend.

The promise is that the Holy Spirit is going to lead us into all truth.

Since when does "all truth" mean "some truth and some error"?

Please explain how the Holy Spirit can lead shiloh357 into all truth, and yet shiloh357 still retains some errors.