The New Covenant

[~Shalhevet~]

Can someone who does not believe we are living in the new covenant, please explain these chapters to me:

Hebrews 7:

11 If, then, perfection came through the levitical priesthood, on the basis of which the people received the law, what need would there still have been for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not reckoned according to the order of Aaron?

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When there is a change of priesthood, there is necessarily a change of law as well.

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Now he of whom these things are said 9 belonged to a different tribe, of which no member ever officiated at the altar.

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It is clear that our Lord arose from Judah, 10 and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

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11 It is even more obvious if another priest is raised up after the likeness of Melchizedek,

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who has become so, not by a law expressed in a commandment concerning physical descent but by the power of a life that cannot be destroyed. 12

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For it is testified: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."

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On the one hand, a former commandment is annulled because of its weakness and uselessness,

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for the law brought nothing to perfection; on the other hand, a better hope 13 is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

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14 And to the degree that this happened not without the taking of an oath 15 --for others became priests without an oath,

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but he with an oath, through the one who said to him: "The Lord has sworn, and he will not repent: 'You are a priest forever'"--

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to that same degree has Jesus (also) become the guarantee of an (even) better covenant. 16

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Those priests were many because they were prevented by death from remaining in office,

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but he, because he remains forever, has a priesthood that does not pass away.

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17 Therefore, he is always able to save those who approach God through him, since he lives forever to make intercession for them.

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It was fitting that we should have such a high priest: 18 holy, innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners, higher than the heavens. 19

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He has no need, as did the high priests, to offer sacrifice day after day, 20 first for his own sins and then for those of the people; he did that once for all when he offered himself.

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For the law appoints men subject to weakness to be high priests, but the word of the oath, which was taken after the law, appoints a son, who has been made perfect forever.

Hebrews 8

1 The main point of what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

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a minister of the sanctuary 2 and of the true tabernacle that the Lord, not man, set up.

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Now every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus the necessity for this one also to have something to offer.

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If then he were on earth, he would not be a priest, since there are those who offer gifts according to the law.

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They worship in a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, as Moses was warned when he was about to erect the tabernacle. For he says, "See that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."

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Now he has obtained so much more excellent a ministry as he is mediator of a better covenant, enacted on better promises.

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3 For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one.

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But he finds fault with them and says: 4 "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

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It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt; for they did not stand by my covenant and I ignored them, says the Lord.

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But this is the covenant I will establish with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and I will write them upon their hearts. I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

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And they shall not teach, each one his fellow citizen and kinsman, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know me, from least to greatest.

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For I will forgive their evildoing and remember their sins no more."

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5 When he speaks of a "new" covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing.

Hebrews 9

1 Now (even) the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly sanctuary.

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For a tabernacle was constructed, the outer one, 2 in which were the lampstand, the table, and the bread of offering; this is called the Holy Place.

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3 Behind the second veil was the tabernacle called the Holy of Holies,

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in which were the gold altar of incense 4 and the ark of the covenant entirely covered with gold. In it were the gold jar containing the manna, the staff of Aaron that had sprouted, and the tablets of the covenant.

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5 Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the place of expiation. Now is not the time to speak of these in detail.

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With these arrangements for worship, the priests, in performing their service, 6 go into the outer tabernacle repeatedly,

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but the high priest alone goes into the inner one once a year, not without blood 7 that he offers for himself and for the sins of the people.

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In this way the holy Spirit shows that the way into the sanctuary had not yet been revealed while the outer tabernacle still had its place.

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This is a symbol of the present time, 8 in which gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the worshiper in conscience

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but only in matters of food and drink and various ritual washings: regulations concerning the flesh, imposed until the time of the new order.

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9 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come to be, 10 passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation,

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he entered once for all into the sanctuary, not with the blood of goats and calves but with his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

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For if the blood of goats and bulls and the sprinkling of a heifer's ashes 11 can sanctify those who are defiled so that their flesh is cleansed,

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how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit 12 offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.

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13 For this reason he is mediator of a new covenant: since a death has taken place for deliverance from transgressions under the first covenant, those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance.

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14 Now where there is a will, the death of the testator must be established.

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For a will takes effect only at death; it has no force while the testator is alive.

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Thus not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.

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15 When every commandment had been proclaimed by Moses to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves (and goats), together with water and crimson wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,

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saying, "This is 'the blood of the covenant which God has enjoined upon you.'"

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In the same way, he sprinkled also the tabernacle 16 and all the vessels of worship with blood.

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17 According to the law almost everything is purified by blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

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18 Therefore, it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified by these rites, but the heavenly things themselves by better sacrifices than these.

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For Christ did not enter into a sanctuary made by hands, a copy of the true one, but heaven itself, that he might now appear before God on our behalf.

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Not that he might offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters each year into the sanctuary with blood that is not his own;

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if that were so, he would have had to suffer repeatedly from the foundation of the world. But now once for all he has appeared at the end of the ages 19 to take away sin by his sacrifice.

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Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment,

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so also Christ, offered once to take away the sins of many, 20 will appear a second time, not to take away sin but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await him.

[Guest shiloh357]

We all believe we are living in the NC. There is no reason to open this topic up again. Mods close some topics and they are meant to remain closed.

[~Shalhevet~]

I didn't know there was another topic here. And not everybody believes we are living in the NC.

[Guest shiloh357]

No the problem is that YOU don't think everyone believes we are living in the New Covenant. I have never seen any post on this board that says we are living in the Old Covenant. Maybe you need to reread others' posts to clear up your obvious misunderstanding.

[~Shalhevet~]

No the problem is that YOU don't think everyone believes we are living in the New Covenant. I have never seen any post on this board that says we are living in the Old Covenant. Maybe you need to reread others' posts to clear up your obvious misunderstanding.

Please do not assume that I Am a problem. That is not nice of you to treat me so harshly. If you don't like what I say please just be kind and ignore it.

[Guest shiloh357]

I did not say you are a problem. I said the problem is with your misunderstanding of what people have said. No one here has said we are not under the New Covenant. If you think they did, then cut and paste some quotes from them so we can see them.

[~Shalhevet~]

This is a message intended for certain people who I will not quote because that would not be nice. That would be confrontational and I am not going to be that kind of Christian. Kindly pass over this topic if you have nothing to say on it. Thanks and blessings to you.

[Guest shiloh357]

This is a message intended for certain people who I will not quote because that would not be nice. That would be confrontational and I am not going to be that kind of Christian. Kindly pass over this topic if you have nothing to say on it. Thanks and blessings to you.

You have already made the accusation, but you cannot provide any evidence as to your assertions. Quoting people is not rude. It is a public messageboard and everyone is responsible for their words. We quote each other all of the time. If you cannot provide examples, then you obviously don't have a legitimate claim.

[Botz]

Can someone who does not believe we are living in the new covenant, please explain these chapters to me:

Hi Chord....We are living in the New Covenant, or Second Covenant (just to give it another name), and the Chapters in Hebrews are explaining that Jesus is our High Priest...in other words, just like under the old Covenant people could go to the Temple, give various offerings etc through Priests...and that just once a year the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and ask forgiveness on behalf of all the people....so now we have an Eternal Great High priest...who is like Melchizedek, without beginning or end...and to whom we can directly approach any time.

I don't think there are those who don't believe we are living under the New Covenant.

[lekh l'kha]

There is nobody on this board who does not believe we are living in the New Covenant, asecretchord. There is nobody on this board who does not believe the verses in Hebrews which you quoted in your OP.

What we don't all believe is that the New Covenant which we are living in replaced every covenant God made with Israel, instead of only the Mosaic Covenant.

I think maybe you misudnderstand what others have said about the covenants.