Expelled

[Sir Gareth]

I watched the movie Expelled last night and i was a little shocked but not too surprised.

I always knew that Darwinists held the majority vote in the scientific world, and i knew they had done some work to block competting theories.

But i was unaware that there had been so much work to stop competting theories, denying tenure, firing people and discrediting them simply because they said ID should be given some credence.

And now i know why there are so few peer reviewed articles about ID, because the evoliutionist dogma in charge FIRES editors who allow the articles to be published.

[CAP73]

I've heard of this documentary myself and would like to see it. Was it good?

[Trusting Jesus]

We have the movie and I can honestly say that it makes my blood boil! I knew a lot about how the lies are perpetuated before I saw the movie, but it opened my eyes to so much more, and confirmed much of what I already knew. Ben Stein did a wonderful job and he presents the truth in a straight forward way.

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Nathele

[Sir Gareth]

I've heard of this documentary myself and would like to see it. Was it good?

I enjoyed it, Ben Stein is not afraid to take on the big names, he even confronts Dawkins, and he adds in bits and peices of humor as well.

Very well done, while it does not have a directly Christ centered message it hits the darwinists with what they can't stand, the truth.

[Sir Gareth]

at the risk of sounding prideful, it makes me feel really warm and fuzzy when i lay down a gauntlet that the evolutionists/atheists are too afraid to go near...

[Hal P]

I found a quote from the Christian biologist whose videos were linked to in the 'Can an Evangelical Christian Accept Evolution?' thread.

http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-...cience-friction

"Dennis Venema, assistant professor of biology at the evangelical Trinity Western University in Langley, says it is "very telling" that the film did not include any footage of interviewees expressing belief in both God and Darwinian science. "I felt that omission was very noticeable and also unfortunate. I think the film would have been stronger and a more rounded discussion if their voices had been included," he says.

As it is, Venema says, the film "serves more to confuse the issues than to advance any meaningful dialogue on this topic".

For one thing, he says, the film never quite explains why intelligent design should be taken seriously as a field of science, even though it devotes a fair chunk of its running time to the assertion that ID advocates are being driven underground by the scientific establishment. "You come away with the impression that it's this secret science, but you also get the impression that they're not willing to divulge what it actually is in the film, which seems a rather odd tack to take if you're trying to convince people of the validity of your arguments," Venema says.

Venema also questions the link the film draws between Darwin and Hitler, noting that Darwin's central insight was the concept of natural selection, as opposed to the sort of artificial selection that plant and animal breeders had been practising for centuries. He also notes that European anti-Semitism was stoked by religion long before it tried to claim any scientific validity.

"It would be a much easier case-unfortunately, to Christianity's shame-to draw a straight line from Martin Luther to Hitler," Venema says. "The history of this type of thought goes back, especially in Europe, hundreds of years before Darwin, where you find people compiling lists of races and hierarchies and things like that. You've got Luther condemning Jews as worms and implying that they are subhuman, and, certainly, you can't blame Darwin for Luther, now, can you?"

Venema says scientists of all stripes-both religious and atheist-need to humbly recognize that science cannot test supernatural claims one way or the other.

"Dawkins makes essentially the same error that the ID community makes, except in reverse," Venema says of the outspoken atheist and author of The God Delusion whose interview with Stein serves as a sort of climax to the film. "Most Christian scientists and biologists in the middle would say,

[Hal P]

Also, for an interesting take on this from Gordon Glover who runs a blog concerning the relationship between Christianity and science, watch these videos;

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/vid...t-alien-design/

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/200...aliens-allowed/

[MorningGlory]

Also, for an interesting take on this from Gordon Glover who runs a blog concerning the relationship between Christianity and science, watch these videos;

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/vid...t-alien-design/

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/200...aliens-allowed/

You can post all the videos you like but nothing will change the Truth. Evolution, as it pertains to man, is a LIE. A pure, unadulterated lie straight from the father of lies himself. No true Christian believes we are descended from apes, no true Christian believes any species ever became another. You're wasting your time.

[MorningGlory]

Also, for an interesting take on this from Gordon Glover who runs a blog concerning the relationship between Christianity and science, watch these videos;

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/vid...t-alien-design/

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/200...aliens-allowed/

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to equate Christian belief in a Creator to that tripe you posted? You're ridiculous. And offensive.

[JusSumguy]

You can post all the videos you like but nothing will change the Truth. Evolution, as it pertains to man, is a LIE. A pure, unadulterated lie straight from the father of lies himself. No true Christian believes we are descended from apes, no true Christian believes any species ever became another. You're wasting your time.

Agreed. All science can say scientifically is that man just starts.

Anything else is conjecture.

And the movie was a real eye opener.

Edited December 20, 2009 by JusSumguy