Expelled

[Brockbfball1563]

You can post all the videos you like but nothing will change the Truth. Evolution, as it pertains to man, is a LIE. A pure, unadulterated lie straight from the father of lies himself. No true Christian believes we are descended from apes, no true Christian believes any species ever became another. You're wasting your time.

Agreed. All science can say scientifically is that man just starts.

So you'd rather believe we were created but have no proof to back it up than have someone tell you that we don't know how it all began? When I took calculus and I saw an absolutely insane problem that I was almost positive I wouldn't be able to figure out, did I just guess what the answer would be and believe it as truth for the rest of my life? Or did I spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answer so I knew I would have the right answer?

Edited December 23, 2009 by Brockbfball1563

[JusSumguy]

I took calculus and I saw an absolutely insane problem that I was almost positive I wouldn't be able to figure out, did I just guess what the answer would be and believe it as truth for the rest of my life?

Christians don't do that. Those of us whom have been physically touched by God understand that the truth is in his text. No question about it. But I can see where you're coming from. Before I was touched by God it all seemed like ooga booga witch doctor stuff to me.

Once you are touched by God, there's no misunderstandings, nor guessing. If you wish to feel God's touch, just ask him with honest desire.

I believe what you're struggling with is the whole faith thing. A formidable barrier for sure, but a necessary one. Not one bit of it works without faith. And this is what appears, to non believers, as a chink in our armor. Yet, it really is our cornerstone. Everything else is built upon our faith. All our prayers are answered through faith. We love those whom hate us through faith. Faith is the absolute root of our thing.

Or did I spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answer so I knew I would have the right answer?

May I answer this question with a cuppla question?

Did you have a God to tell you the answer ahead of time? And if you did, would you believe him?

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Edited December 23, 2009 by JusSumguy

[MorningGlory]

I see; if one is a nonbeliever they are automatically a 'scientist'? That opens so many strange doors.....

Go back and read my post again, you've obviously misunderstood something.

Lurker

Yep....the misunderstood 'something' is you, Lurker. I just don't get what your agenda is.

[MorningGlory]

You can post all the videos you like but nothing will change the Truth. Evolution, as it pertains to man, is a LIE. A pure, unadulterated lie straight from the father of lies himself. No true Christian believes we are descended from apes, no true Christian believes any species ever became another. You're wasting your time.

Agreed. All science can say scientifically is that man just starts.

So you'd rather believe we were created but have no proof to back it up than have someone tell you that we don't know how it all began? When I took calculus and I saw an absolutely insane problem that I was almost positive I wouldn't be able to figure out, did I just guess what the answer would be and believe it as truth for the rest of my life? Or did I spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answer so I knew I would have the right answer?

Why don't YOU tell US? I don't believe any of us attended Atheist U.

[JusSumguy]

Christians do not need to embrace pseudoscience to maintain their faith.

Funny... That's zakly what you're being told.

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[MorningGlory]

There's a significant difference between telling someone something and supporting it. I can and have supported my claims with evidence, I can and have qualified evolution as a scientific theory due to it's ability to make testable predictions that explain what we see.

I've read these threads for months and have yet to see this 'evidence'. All you have posted is supposition.

In any event, I don't think that ID is a bandwagon that most of you really want to jump on. I used to argue in favor of ID and know most of their arguments and positions and they are not compatible with a young earth, the common creationist mis-conceptions about genetic "information", and, in some cases, the view of instantaneous creation of man (Micheal Behe has, for instance, stated that the evidence for a common ancestry between chimps and humans is overwhelming)

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Man WAS created in an instant in time. Genesis tell us this. But maybe Michael Behe is describing his own ancestors. He sure as heck isn't talking about mine or anyone's who is a believer.

[MorningGlory]

Either you don't know what "supposition" is or you didn't really think this post through. . .I'm going to vote for the latter.

I'm not one of your third graders so don't attempt to talk down to me. Little people can't do that. A word like 'supposition' isn't too difficult for someone like me. I, for one, am throughly sick of your attitude. You definitely need an adjustment and a reality check. Hey....Lurker....you are NOT Einstein. In fact, I don't find you all that knowledgeable.

And seeing as Behe is one of the foremost proponents of Intelligent Design it would probably be a good idea for you (and others) to re-think your support or, at the very least, figure out exactly what it is you think you are supporting. Also, Behe is a Christian (fortunately your concept of creation is not a tenant of salvation).

The bolded part of that paragraph makes no sense. Behe is NOT a Christian; I looked him up and he does, indeed, support common ancestry between humans and chimps. You will NOT question my concept of Creation nor my views of salvation. You are not qualified to do so. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a post of yours that wasn't concerned with evolution. You apparently don't know anything else. Which tells us you are probably not highly educated.

[nebula]

If Intelligent Design wants to challenge some aspects of evolution it needs to do so based on its own strengths and not the religious and/or philosophical inclinations of it's proponents. Until ID can provide some testable predictions that distinguish itself from evolution it will remain what it is; a philosophy of science and not a theory.

But how could one create a testable prediction that something like DNA was created by a spiritual being rather than "chance" (or whatever evolutionists call it)?