Presidential Morality???

[AmariYah]

"I did something for the worst possible reason." admitted the President. "Just because I could."

That was Bill Clinton speaking, doing his recent mea culpa about his oval office tryst with Monica Lewinski. To his belated credit, Clinton admits shame about his abuse of power: "I think that's just about the most morally indefensible reason anybody could have for doing anything."

Now let us fast foreward to George W. to his credit, W would not think of having sex with a White House intern. But this does not make him an innocent in the abuse of presidential power. What we've now learned from the 9/11 commission and recent books by White House insideres is that George W. launched a war for the worst possible reason: because he could

It's clear that there was no geo-political necessity for his attack on Iraq. no threat to our national security, no weapons of mass destruction or ties to Al Queda, no reason to send the American men and women to die- except for the worst reason: BECAUSE HE COULD. He and his gang of neo-con chickenhawks has an idelogical score to settle with Saddam Hussien, and they were out to do it regardless of rationality, right or consequences.

Here's a Bush quote from a talk he gave to the National Security Council: "I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel the like I owe anybody an explaination."

He has the power. Might makes right. He can cause the death and gruesone injuries, vast destruction, horror and increased danger to America- just because he can... Which is the most morally indefensible reason anybody could do anything.

Clinton abused his presidential power to work out his sexual fantasies with an intern. That's pathetic! Bush however, has abused his presidential power to work out his Saddam 'fantasies' with other peoples lives!!! That my friends is morally bankrupt and beyond contempt!

Edited July 26, 2004 by AmariYah

[Guest LadyC]

funny, that's not at all what the 9/11 commission concluded from all reports that i've heard and read!

i hate to tell you this, but you're in the minority on this board regarding your opinion of the war on terrorism. ya might want to take cover.

[Kay]

IF we don't stand up to them what next?

I disagree with your analogy; and know the men on this board will stand up to you

peace

k

[ted]

Here we go again....

t.

[nebula]

Problem is, there's many people who view the situation in Iraq through the eyes of CNN and ABS/CBS/NBC and MSNBC.

When the only thing we see about this war is "X # of people died today in attack," of course they'd be feeling this way.

I truly believe that if we saw more of the positive changes that have been occuring in Iraq, we'd have different feelings about the whole situation.

[Guest shiloh357]

"I did something for the worst possible reason." admitted the President. "Just because I could."

That was Bill Clinton speaking, doing his recent mea culpa about his oval office tryst with Monica Lewinski. To his belated credit, Clinton admits shame about his abuse of power: "I think that's just about the most morally indefensible reason anybody could have for doing anything."

Now let us fast foreward to George W. to his credit, W would not think of having sex with a White House intern. But this does not make him an innocent in the abuse of presidential power. What we've now learned from the 9/11 commission and recent books by White House insideres is that George W. launched a war for the worst possible reason: because he could

It's clear that there was no geo-political necessity for his attack on Iraq. no threat to our national security, no weapons of mass destruction or ties to Al Queda, no reason to send the American men and women to die- except for the worst reason: BECAUSE HE COULD. He and his gang of neo-con chickenhawks has an idelogical score to settle with Saddam Hussien, and they were out to do it regardless of rationality, right or consequences.

Here's a Bush quote from a talk he gave to the National Security Council: "I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel the like I owe anybody an explaination."

He has the power. Might makes right. He can cause the death and gruesone injuries, vast destruction, horror and increased danger to America- just because he can... Which is the most morally indefensible reason anybody could do anything.

Clinton abused his presidential power to work out his sexual fantasies with an intern. That's pathetic! Bush however, has abused his presidential power to work out his Saddam 'fantasies' with other peoples lives!!! That my friends is morally bankrupt and beyond contempt!

This is ridiculous. Bush can't win either way. If he had done nothing about the threat in Iraq and we had been hit with a dirty bomb or worse, and it had been discovered that the administration knew of a "possible" threat, then Bush would have been castigated worldwide for doing nothing.

Bush struck first to protect this country. He neutralized a potential threat to our wellbeing, and saved many of American lives. Bush was elected as Commander in Chief, and one his responsibilities is to protect the Amercian people. He his doing that.

The Iraqis are glad Hussein are gone, and the American people are safe, and the world is a little safer too. Had Bush worried about what the world thinks, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, and America would have one more terrorist supporting dictator to deal with.

The war was the right thing to do.

[AmariYah]

What is perhaps most amazing to me is that people who call themselves "Christians" actually support needless and senseless killing of other human beings. Didn't any of you ever read Ex. 20? And what about Jesus' words, "he who is without sin should cast the first stone."

First of all anyone who actually believes that Saddam Hussien or Iraq was ever a threat to the great United States of America, you have been utterly brain-washed! All of the might of Saddam and the country of Iraq was far less than even 1 single ant to a mighty dinosaur of the U.S of A. To pretend that they were ever a threat to us is absolutly ludicrous and nonsensical.

Second, Iraq never even threatened the United States- they were not a threat in any way- Nor was Iraq any real threat to our allies particularly after the many sanctions imposed upon them. Gee, I wonder why we wnt to Iraq instead of North Korea? (North Korea is a threat and does have WMD!)

And finally, since when is a morally bankrupt country who has more WMD than any of the next 5-6 countires put together- and who has not shown restraint in using them against other human beings/ SINCE WHEN ARE WE THE RIGHTEOUS MORAL POLICE OF THE WORLD? Honestly what gives us the right to tell other people what to do and how to live?

Unless you believe as Pres. Bush does that Might is Right!

It is truly heartbreaking to see believers who have been so decieved as to believe that there is some kind of virtue in massacreing other people- particularly when we make the assumption that somehow "God is on our side".

New's flash- America is not a very moral country- Nor are we really a Christain country. And to pretend that we are somehow morally superior or perhaps more civilized than other countries is a supreme arrogance and gross hypocrisy.

If we are truly Christains here then we must first repent from our own sins before we go casting stones at other countries... and the same goes for the Bush Administration- they must first come clean on all of the lies and decption of the American people and the world community before they can presume to go and "save" the world from "terrorism". Honestly what is the Bush Admin's definition of "terrorism" anyway?

[nebula]

IdolSmasher II ?

(Sorry)

[Guest shiloh357]

IdolSmasher II ?

(Sorry)

Say it ain't so!!!

[Guest Sing-A-Ling]

think about this:

> IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?...................

> 1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

> 2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of

> civilization!

> 3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

> 4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

> 5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

> 6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

> 7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

> 8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

> 9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of

> Israel.

> 10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

> 11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

> 12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

> 13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq

> (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the

> fiery furnace!)

> 14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the

> wall" in Iraq.

> 15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews

> captive into Iraq.

> 16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

> 17. The wise men were from Iraq.

> 18. Peter preached in Iraq.

> 19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called

> Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

>

> And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation

> most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which

> nation is second? It is Iraq!

> However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible.

> The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar,

> and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two

> rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates

> Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

> Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very

> significant country in the Bible. Here's why!

>

> * Eden was in Iraq - Genesis 2:10-14

> * Adam &Eve were created in Iraq - Genesis 2:7-8

> * Satan made his first recorded appearance in Iraq -

> Genesis 3:1-6

> * Nimrod established Babylon &The Tower of Babel was built

> in Iraq - Genesis 10:8-97; 11:1-4

> * The confusion of the languages took place in Iraq -

> Genesis 11:5-11

> * Abraham came from a city in Iraq - Genesis 11:31; Acts

> 7:2-4

> * Isaac's bride came from Iraq - Genesis 24:3-4; 10

> * Jacob spent 20 years in Iraq - Genesis 27:42-45; 31:38

> * The first world Empire was in Iraq - Daniel 1:1-2;2:36-38

> * The greatest revival in history was in a city in Iraq -

> Jonah 3

> * The events of the book of Esther took place in Iraq -

> Esther

> * The book of Nahum was a prophecy against a city in Iraq -

> Nahum

> * The book or Revelation has prophecies against Babylon

> (Iraq's formername). Revelation 17 &18

>

> No other nation, except Israel, has more history and

> prophecy associated in it than Iraq. And also...This is

> something to think about! Since America is typically

> represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his

> Muslim passages...The following verse is from the Quran,

> (the Islamic Bible) Quran (9:11) - For it is written that a

> son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of

> the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and

> lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more

> rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of

> Allah; and there was peace. (Note the verse number)

>

still think that the war in iraq is wrong? iraq has been the center of history since GOD created us iraq is there for a reason and it will continue to be a controversy, bush is just doing what has been predicted in the bible for centuries, its all going to happen because that is the way its supposed to be, the end times are coming just as the prophesies said

and imariyah, what about the rape houses and torture houses that saddam had set up and used very frequently? isnt that alone enough to do something? his son uda used those rape houses, not just to rape his favorite thing to do was to rape young girls strangling them to death in the process

iwar is inevitable because this is what is to happen when the end times are near