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From this passage, God has promised to never cast off or reject biblical Israel. YOU are calling God a liar.

Again, God is not a liar my friend -

"I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah, not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers...
which they broke
..." (Jeremiah 31:31-32).

What part of *broken covenant* do you fail to understand? What part of *taken away kingdom* do you miss here? You need to re-think...why was a 'new covenant' required by God?

You are focusing on the wrong Covenant. No one is disputing that they broke the Mosaic Covenant. That is not at issue. What is at issue is the covenant they could not break, which was made with Abraham. THAT covenant precludes God from EVER rejecting His nation and replacing with someone else.

The covenant made with Abraham is fulfilled through the blood of Christ in the body of Christ - i.e., - all believers of all nations are now one "in Christ Jesus" the body of Christ - the spiritual commonweal of Israel today - believing Gentiles are Abraham's spiritual children. The secular nation of Israel is not God's chosen nation - she remains in unbelief.

The Abrahamic Covenant is an eternal Covenant with Abraham and His descendents through Isaac and Jacob and is still in force. (Gen. 17:8,9) No matter how you kick against, it biblical Israel is still His nation. None of your theological gymnastics and "Replacement" heresies will change that. Jer. 33: 35-37 soundly refute your "theology." You are grafted into biblical Israel, but you do not replace biblical Israel.

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Saying that the kingdom was taken from Israel would be like saying the vineyard was taken from the grapes.

It is clear folks

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The secular nation of Israel is not God's chosen nation

You keep adding conditions that Jesus never mentioned.

What conditions would that be? Is the secular unbelieving nation of Israel today God's chosen nation? Is the church of God no longer His "holy nation"? God only recognized one holy nation - not two. Which will it be, Neb?

The modern fuflment of biblical prophecy in the reestablishing of the nation of Israel in her biblical homeland confounds and stands as a living reproach to your view. God's hand is still on Israel, they are still His people, His nation and He is keeping His promises to them even today.


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The secular nation of Israel is not God's chosen nation

You keep adding conditions that Jesus never mentioned.

What conditions would that be? Is the secular unbelieving nation of Israel today God's chosen nation? Is the church of God no longer His "holy nation"? God only recognized one holy nation - not two. Which will it be, Neb?

As I stated, in Matt. 21 it says:

"When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them."

Them is themselves - the chief priests and the Pharisees. Else the passage would have specifically mentioned the entire Jewish race or the entire nation of Israel. Bit it did not.

"The entire nation of Israel" and "the secular nation of Israel" are conditions that you keep inserting into the passage.

But the Scriptures are clear - the Kingdom was taken from the established religious leaders and given over to Jesus' disciples.

Romans 11:1 - I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means!

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The secular nation of Israel is not God's chosen nation

You keep adding conditions that Jesus never mentioned.

What conditions would that be? Is the secular unbelieving nation of Israel today God's chosen nation? Is the church of God no longer His "holy nation"? God only recognized one holy nation - not two. Which will it be, Neb?

The modern fuflment of biblical prophecy in the reestablishing of the nation of Israel in her biblical homeland confounds and stands as a living reproach to your view. God's hand is still on Israel, they are still His people, His nation and He is keeping His promises to them even today.

God's hand is on the secular nation of Israel just as God's hand is on the secular United States of America today - God always is concerned with the affairs of man. The secular nation of Israel, however is not God's "holy nation" today - she remains in unbelief. God's holy nation remains the Lord's church - those who call upon the name of the Lord...

Sorry, but God affirms that they will always be His nation (Jer. 33:35-37). Ezekiel prophesied that God would restore Israel to her land in unblief. Therefore, their unbelief does not disqualify them from being God's people and God's nation, like it or not. Biblical, physical Israel is now and forever shall be God's nation and nothing you can say will change God's Word on that issue.

We can go in circles all day long Horizon, but you are not going to change anyone's mind.

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Saying that the kingdom was taken from Israel would be like saying the vineyard was taken from the grapes.

It is clear folks

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Israel is the name of a people not a land.

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And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Zechariah 14:12

KING

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Isaiah 49:7

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And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob. Isaiah 49:26

What Say Ye?

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:26-28


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You miss the mark once again

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:noidea: What do politicians do? They will simply ignore all facts presented to them which show the falsehood and untruthfulness of any claims or statements they make, or they will divert the subject away from those facts, and then they will come back later making the same false claims and statements again and again. It's A.K.A intellectual dishonesty.
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