Creation/Adam/otherpeople

[e lansing]

God created Adam and Eve perfect. It was after the fall that there bodies started to decay. Two things if God did create other humans then only the descendants of Adam and Eve would be in sin. Cause the others would still be perfect. Also for the incest question. Later it is declared wrong do to the fact. At first Adam and Eve were perfect and their children would have been close to perfect. The further you get from the original perfection the more imperfections and problems come in. This is why today when brothers and sisters have children together the children are messed up. This can eve be seen in animal breeds. example the Dalmation. from the in breeding many of them are deaf. This also why some people say the Ceasars of Rome were crazy and had epilepsy. From all the interfamily marriages.

This is at least how i see it.

Arikutoy

read the other post, cain and able, Adam and Eve and genectics, and you will find that you are among friends. As for me i am not 100% sold as you will see if you these other post. At any rate i have learn a lot and have accepted the possibility that i could be 100% wrong. However, still not sold.

[Guest]

.... It was after the fall that their bodies started to decay ....

Yes!

For as in Adam all die,

1 Corinthians 15:22 (a)

And This Too Will Pass

even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22 (b)

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Hallelujah!

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:21-23

Hallelujah!

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:21-24-25

Hallelujah!

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 5:26-27

Amen!

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28-29

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:3-5

Be Very Blessed

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:3-5

Love, Joe

Maranatha!

[e lansing]

.... It was after the fall that their bodies started to decay ....

Yes!

For as in Adam all die,

1 Corinthians 15:22 (a)

And This Too Will Pass

even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22 (b)

Hallelujah!

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:21-23

Hallelujah!

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:21-24-25

Hallelujah!

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

John 5:26-27

Amen!

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28-29

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:3-5

Be Very Blessed

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:3-5

Love, Joe

Agreed! But where does it say Adam was perfect? Ithought that none are perfect only Jesus!

[Guest LadyC]

BEFORE the fall, they were perfect. they were still human, and still capable of sin (obviously, hence, the apple), but they were not created with any physical defects.

the perfection of Christ is referring to a spiritual state, not a physical state. Christ is perfect, meaning He is not only sinless, he is incapable of sin.

do you really need the bible to spell out that God doesn't create anything that is inferior?

[Guest]

.... But where does it say Adam was perfect? ....

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A Trail Of Woe And Of Love

Dear Grandfather

If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

Job 31:33

And Sons

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:10-12

Sinned

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:23

But God

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Sent A Kinsmen-Redeemer

For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 18:11

To Adopt Whosoever Will Believe

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:15

Into His Household Forever And Ever Amen!

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:2

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Believe

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Matthew 11:27-30

And Be Blessed Beloved

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:1

Love, Joe

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Revelation 5:9

[e lansing]

BEFORE the fall, they were perfect. they were still human, and still capable of sin (obviously, hence, the apple), but they were not created with any physical defects.

the perfection of Christ is referring to a spiritual state, not a physical state. Christ is perfect, meaning He is not only sinless, he is incapable of sin.

do you really need the bible to spell out that God doesn't create anything that is inferior?

no conjecture in here right!

[Guest]

.... BEFORE the fall, they were perfect. they were still human, and still capable of sin (obviously, hence, the apple), but they were not created with any physical defects.

the perfection of Christ is referring to a spiritual state, not a physical state. Christ is perfect, meaning He is not only sinless, he is incapable of sin.

do you really need the bible to spell out that God doesn't create anything that is inferior? ....

.... no conjecture in here right! ....

Right!

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31

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Sin

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

John 16:9

And Redemption

He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

Psalms 111:9

Believe And Be Blessed Beloved

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:1

Love, Joe

In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness. Psalms 31:1

[Guest LadyC]

no conjecture at all.

i'm not sure by your comment, were you being sarcastic? and if so, what part do you think is up for speculation?

[e lansing]

no conjecture at all.

i'm not sure by your comment, were you being sarcastic? and if so, what part do you think is up for speculation?

Ok, i will take my beating like a man does very good mean perfect? it a weak punch, but i am beaten

[Guest LadyC]

nope, you have to answer your own question. explain to me where you find anything to biblically support that our perfect God does an inferior job at creating anything, please.

and then tell me, would a perfect God find anything less than perfect to be acceptable? if you have difficulty with that question, let me encourage you to study what scripture has to say about our own righteousness.