Communion....

[BobTriez]

Jesus' body and blood being truly present in bread and wine. Especially when it's explicit in Scripture!

Cite specific scripture to support your position please.....no conjecture, no private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God......

Thanks!

Serving Him,

Bob

[ServingHim]

Pull out an electron microscope.

[ServingHim]

How much easier and 'cleaner' things would be if spirit never dirtied itself with matter...much less bread or wine, mere basic things. But God approves of matter

[GoodSamaritan]

Cite specific scripture to support your position please.....no conjecture, no private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God......

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him.

(Jn 6:54-57)

Can't get much more explicit than that. If you acknowledge the Greek words in text and the context of the verse, the literal interpretation is the only plausible one, IMO.

Now, if you would please cite specific scripture support for your position that God is One God in 3 persons please...no conjecture, not private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God. Or if that verse is difficult to find, you can cite the verse that says that Scripture is the sole rule of faith. No conjecture, no private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God.

See my point? I believe it is explicit in Scripture that Jesus commands us to consume His actual body and blood, certainly as explicit as either of the other two doctrines that you no doubt hold to.

GS

[ServingHim]

In Matthew 26:26, Jesus said, "Take and eat; THIS IS MY BODY."

In Matthew 26:27-28 Jesus said, "All of you drink of this; FOR THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH IS BEING SHED FOR MANY UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."

How does "THIS IS MY BODY" mean THIS IS A SYMBOL of MY BODY?

[Guest Called]

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him.

(Jn 6:54-57)

okay, I may be stupid, but as he was telling His disciples this at the last supper, did they start just knawing on him there or did the bread and wine turn to His flesh and blood while He was still sitting there (for He had not been crucified yet.)?

What happened to the elements at the Last Supper? While Jesus was still sitting there? Any idears? Hmmmm? I ain't talking to you Serving Him...remember we don't discuss Catholic doctrine?

[GoodSamaritan]

"The words I have spoken to you are spirit" does not mean "What I have just said is symbolic." The word "spirit" is never used that way in the Bible.

If this were the case, when we see the verse that 'angels are messenger SPIRITS' do we then mean that angels are symbolic? How about when we see 'God is Spirit'? Do we then conclude that God is symbolic?

To deny the literal translation is to call Jesus a horrible teacher, IMO. There are well over 5 times in Scripture when Jesus corrects the people he taught when they interpreted his teaching incorrectly. He then declares the literal eating of his flesh, many of his own disciples walk out on him, and he doesn't bother to call them back and tell them, 'Hey, I REALLY meant that this bread SYMBOLIZES my body, silly!'. Why not?

GS

[One Way]

My position is that the elements are symoblic and they represent the body and blood of Christ. They do not miraculously change into the body and blood. The juice or wine still tastes like juice and wine (and it is still a sugary carbohydrate), and the bread or cracker still crumbles and chews.

I never said that the practice held no significance. On the contrary, it is VERY significant.

But, to say that the elements tangibly change during the event is just inaccurate.

[One Way]

Cite specific scripture to support your position please.....no conjecture, no private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God......

Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.

He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him.

(Jn 6:54-57)

Can't get much more explicit than that. If you acknowledge the Greek words in text and the context of the verse, the literal interpretation is the only plausible one, IMO.

Now, if you would please cite specific scripture support for your position that God is One God in 3 persons please...no conjecture, not private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God. Or if that verse is difficult to find, you can cite the verse that says that Scripture is the sole rule of faith. No conjecture, no private interpretation; just pure and unadulterated Word of God.

See my point? I believe it is explicit in Scripture that Jesus commands us to consume His actual body and blood, certainly as explicit as either of the other two doctrines that you no doubt hold to.

GS

You conveniently left off the rest of the discourse.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Christians are not cannibalistic, and I think one could make an argument against it solely on the basis that all throughout scripture we are admonished to avoid the eating of blood.

[One Way]

In Matthew 26:26, Jesus said, "Take and eat; THIS IS MY BODY."

In Matthew 26:27-28 Jesus said, "All of you drink of this; FOR THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT, WHICH IS BEING SHED FOR MANY UNTO THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."

How does "THIS IS MY BODY" mean THIS IS A SYMBOL of MY BODY?

Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

What kind of door is Jesus? Wooden double-doors? Metal? Drawbridge?

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

What form of ultraviolet ray is Jesus? Gamma, X? Or maybe He is a bulb? Incandescent? Fluorescent? Hmmm.

Psa 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings

What kind of wings does God have? More importantly, what type of bird is He?

I could go on and on...