Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[eis]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

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So tell me passages other than:

Romans 6:3-4

3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

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Galatians 3:27

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ

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where we come into Christ.

Romans 10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved .

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith , Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed .

I don't agree these say anything about where we are brought into or come into Christ. Is it the passage that says "You were positionally justified by faith..."

Maybe you'll accuse me of tearing that page out of the Scripture like I have been accused (indirectly) of ignoring the 1st half of the Bible.

I do not understand what you are saying.

Please explain.

I apologize this response was meant for shilo's post. Somehow I managed to put it against your previous post. How did I do that? Please forgive.

[eis]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

NASB

So tell me passages other than:

Romans 6:3-4

3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

NASB

Galatians 3:27

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ

NASB

where we come into Christ.

Neither of those two passages are talking about immersion in water. They are talking the work of the Holy Spirit at the moment one places faith into Christ. The moment we believe, are placed in Christ. It what we call posiitional justicification.

Is it the passage that says "You were positionally justified by faith..."

Maybe you'll accuse me of tearing that page out of the Scripture like I have been accused (indirectly) of ignoring the 1st half of the Bible.

Edited March 26, 2010 by eis

[nebula]

I apologize this response was meant for shilo's post. Somehow I managed to put it against your previous post. How did I do that? Please forgive.

Not a problem!

[nebula]

What I mean is that Jesus meant water and it means water today.

So that would be H2O.

[Scare Bear]

are you sinless?

Nobody is, but it's ok to continue to live IN sin, i.e. continue to lie, curse, steal. It's all ok to continue to do that after you've been saved?

[eis]

What I mean is that Jesus meant water and it means water today.

So that would be H2O.

Yes.

[eis]

are you sinless?

Nobody is, but it's ok to continue to live IN sin, i.e. continue to lie, curse, steal. It's all ok to continue to do that after you've been saved?

Society today promotes lifestyles that are "given" to sin. The homosexual lifestyle is glorified anfd off limits for us to preach against for numerous reasons. This would be a good thread to discuss. Life given to sin vs Life struggling with sin/

[Scare Bear]

But you said it was in the Bible. Show one place in the Bible where it says that you can believe on Jesus and go to hell.

James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe

[Guest shiloh357]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

NASB

So tell me passages other than:

Romans 6:3-4

3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

NASB

Galatians 3:27

27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ

NASB

where we come into Christ.

Neither of those two passages are talking about immersion in water. They are talking the work of the Holy Spirit at the moment one places faith into Christ. The moment we believe, are placed in Christ. It what we call posiitional justicification.

In the sense of the passage you posted in Eph5:23 that the one entering into the presence of God cannot be "covered with sin" or be unclean. While it was physical in the sence of the OT it is spiritual in the NT. Ananias' message then makes sense in this application. Apparently one cannot be in the church unless they have been washed and are spotless.

It is the blood, not water that cleanses from sin. The OT ritual purification rites have nothing to do with salvation. Rather, it was those ritual washings that were part of the life of the redeemed community. Ritual purifcation was for believers, not for the cleansing of unbelievers.

So show me where those two passages are saying baptism in the Holy Spirit? And pray tell where do we read of "positional justification"?

Positional justification refers to the work of the Holy Spirit where we are "placed into" (baptism) Christ. Baptism is not a religious word in the original Greek. Baptism does not mean "water immersion." It means to be put or placed, or immersed into something else. If you dunk a cookie in milk, that is a baptism, by the meaning of the Word. However, Paul uses the word "baptism" in several places to refer to our having been placed into Christ. He is never referring to water immersion.

In 1 Corinthians 12, it states that we are baptized (placed into) the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit. That happens at the moment we trust in Christ. It is not something water immersion accomplishes.

Prior to salvation, we were in Adam and under the law; but, after salvation we are in Christ and under grace. That is a change in position.

Relative to the NT church there are three baptisms: Baptism into Christ, baptism of the Holy Spirit and water immersion. Problems occur when we take EVERY reference to baptism and apply those water immersion. Water immersion is not always the object the author has in view in every usage of the term baptism.

Romans 6: 3-4 is referring to the fact that when we place our faith in Christ, we are placed into union with Him. We identify, therefore with both the death and resurrection of Christ. We are buried with Him and because of Jesus' resurrection, we too should walk in newness of life.

Galatians 3:27 is basically saying the same thing but in different terminology. When we were saved, we placed in Him. We are in Him similar to how we are "in" our clothing. We are "clothed" with Christ as Paul says. Water immersion does not accomplish that. Water immersion is a picture of that reality.

[Scare Bear]

I did not say it had nothing to do with redemption. I said it did not add anything to work of cross. The work of Christ on the cross was finished on the cross. Jesus resurrection was God's final victory over death and the grave. We as Christians are to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God. We are crucified to the world and the world to us.

That's why with baptism we are buried with Him and come out as a new person. His death, burial, and resurrection are very important. Colossians 2:12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Again, that is not what I said. I said that nothing about salvation has changed. The sacrifices had nothing to do with salvation. No one was saved by the sacrifices so your question only continues to highlight the continuing biblical ignorance you display in each post.

So we're saved exactly how? Just by believing? If that were the case then why the need for the Bible? Why not one short verse and be done with it? Why did all those actions have to be taken in the Old Testament? Noah building the Ark, Abraham willing to offer up Isaac, etc?

1 Peter 3:20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us