Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[nebula]

What about Romans 10:9,10?

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved ; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

No, just asking if belief & confessing is all one does to be saved....if so, if I don't repent, then am I saved?

Why are you avoiding expressing your understanding of what the verse is saying?

[eis]

What about Romans 10:9,10?

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved ; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

No, just asking if belief & confessing is all one does to be saved....if so, if I don't repent, then am I saved?

Why are you avoiding expressing your understanding of what the verse is saying?

One reason is until now I have answerd most of the questions.

I think that this verse says just what it says, but "belief & confession" are more than what you think. Belief includes repenting, being baptized and walking in newness of life.

So, can you NOT repent? I'll give you a great example.

Let's say I am a non-Christian and I am in an adulterous state with a woman who is another man's wife. You teach me about Christ and convince me that Romans 10:9-10 hold the key to my salvation. I believe and confess and pray that prayer. Do I have to repent of (and stop) my adulterous relations with the other man's wife or can I continue in my saved state.

[eis]

Removed due to double post - See Above Post

Edited March 30, 2010 by eis

[nebula]

Let's say I am a non-Christian and I am in an adulterous state with a woman who is another man's wife. You teach me about Christ and convince me that Romans 10:9-10 hold the key to my salvation. I believe and confess and pray that prayer. Do I have to repent of (and stop) my adulterous relations with the other man's wife or can I continue in my saved state.

I have heard more than one testimony of people who were not able to repent of these sins until after they asked Jesus into their lives.

[eis]

Let's say I am a non-Christian and I am in an adulterous state with a woman who is another man's wife. You teach me about Christ and convince me that Romans 10:9-10 hold the key to my salvation. I believe and confess and pray that prayer. Do I have to repent of (and stop) my adulterous relations with the other man's wife or can I continue in my saved state.

I have heard more than one testimony of people who were not able to repent of these sins until after they asked Jesus into their lives.

But, are they saved when they fulfill Romans 10:9-10 if they don't repent?

[eis]

And to reply to you eis without quoting that entire big thing, I suppose I see where Non-OSASers are coming from.

I suppose free will states that someone can confess with their mouth that He is Lord, believe in their heart that He died and rose again but they can turn away from it and decide against it later. I have met someone who did that. He is my ex boyfriend. I watched him on fire for the LORD for 3 months straight after Salvation. Then, he started throwing my Bible across the room saying "you pray to your god and I'll pray to mine."

So in essence, "lose" Salvation can mean the same thing as "reject the Truth" or "fall away", right? However, Scripture does say that even those are redeemable because of what Jesus did.

I didn't know Scripture stated "nothing can separate us from His love" I looked up that passage and found:

Romans 8:38-39 (New International Version)

38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[a] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Could that passage be speaking of the love of God as being the act that He performed; sending Himself to save us from Himself? I ask because it says the love of God that is in Christ Jesus. That doesn't seem to be a generalization of God's love. Does that make sense, my question?

JamiLea, if your boyfriend was saved then he will be again if he turns from his sinful ways. I do not believe that he will remain saved if He never returns. Let's say he dies in the state that he is in. I think it would be in a lost state. However, just as the loving Father received the prodigal, God would take him back once he comes to his senses...if he lives that long.

God loves the whole world. He will not take the whole world into His kingdom though. That's reserved for the faithful.

[eis]

What about Romans 10:9,10?

9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved ; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

No, just asking if belief & confessing is all one does to be saved....if so, if I don't repent, then am I saved?

Why are you avoiding expressing your understanding of what the verse is saying?

One reason is until now I have answerd most of the questions.

I think that this verse says just what it says, but "belief & confession" are more than what you think. Belief includes repenting, being baptized and walking in newness of life.

So, can you NOT repent? I'll give you a great example.

Let's say I am a non-Christian and I am in an adulterous state with a woman who is another man's wife. You teach me about Christ and convince me that Romans 10:9-10 hold the key to my salvation. I believe and confess and pray that prayer. Do I have to repent of (and stop) my adulterous relations with the other man's wife or can I continue in my saved state.

Whether you are saved or not, it's still a sin to commit adultery. God wishes for us to repent but that will not always be the case. The process of sanctification goes much deeper than that.

Is that the kind of answer you are looking for? I just don't want to be so dogmatic because I believe the Holy Spirit is MOST creative and each person's Walk is different but the same, just at different times if that make sense.

Insert sin for adultery, are you saying that they will be saved even though they won't repent. For this question I am especially asking in regard to a person professing his belief for the very first time - the point that they are saved? Can they say I believe, but you have to save me because I am going to hang on to this "sin"?

[eis]

Let's say I am a non-Christian and I am in an adulterous state with a woman who is another man's wife. You teach me about Christ and convince me that Romans 10:9-10 hold the key to my salvation. I believe and confess and pray that prayer. Do I have to repent of (and stop) my adulterous relations with the other man's wife or can I continue in my saved state.

I have heard more than one testimony of people who were not able to repent of these sins until after they asked Jesus into their lives.

But, are they saved when they fulfill Romans 10:9-10 if they don't repent?

I know you were asking her but yes, I believe they are saved.

I'll give you one example, there are people who confess and believe, not repenting for things until much later. Just because one believes and confesses, does not mean they know what is sin and what isn't or the commandments, know what I mean? All they know is of Jesus and what He did for us because God loved us so much. The learning process of who He is and what He expects comes over time.

That's why Hebrews talks about once we know the truth, we are held accountable.

JamiLea,

I have to disagree here. We cannot hold onto sin and God at the same time. Those who need to be saved should have an understanding of "why" they need to be saved.

Edited March 30, 2010 by eis

[Scare Bear]

<quote>No one goes to hell for: 1 Cor. 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. So if man is born separated from God then that means when infants die they go to hell because they are unclean. See the holes in your arguments?</quote>

Yes, they will, but this is NOT referring to babies. This is referring to man who has the power to understand and repent of their sins, yet choose not to.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:14-15

These things are called sins. In order for somebody to sin they have to willingly break the law of Christ. Babies don't do this.

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. James 4:17

You have the choice to live your life according to your lusts and desires, which is sin, or to give up your life to live according to the scriptures. One gets you hell and the other gets you heaven.

You're exactly right, and that's what I was trying to point out. The person I'm discussing this with said that all men are born into sin assuming that children are sinful which they are not.

[Scare Bear]

You are doing them because you think you have to do them to get heaven.

If you were told to be baptized to be saved, wouldn't you do it because it was commanded by God? If God told you to build an ark to be saved wouldn't you want to do it? I'm following God's commandments because I'm told that if I want everlasting life, this is what I must do.

God does not share His glory. For you to claim that your works get you into heaven, you are diminishing the work of Christ on the cross and ascribing your own effort to save you. Salvation is not a partnership between you and God. Your works are worthless and ineffectual. You either trust in Christ alone, or you will go to hell.

Would someone who accepts Jesus yet lays around the house all day get into heaven? Why or why not?

I didn't say faith only is needed. I said Jesus Christ only is needed. He is the object of our faith. He alone is the Savior.

So which is it? Faith only, grace only, Christ only?

Because it was a commandment from God. His willingness and earnest desire to be baptised was the product of his salvation.

It was a commandment from God! We keep going around in circles on this but it does not indicate anywhere in the scripture the Eunuch was already saved at that point.

Not when it was in his power to be obedient. Had there been no access to water, he would have still have been saved anyway. He would have just been baptized at a later time, but that would not have effected his salvation.

It was commanded but not needed for salvation? So if God told you to be baptized and you said to Him, well, I'll wait til a more convenient time cause I'm already saved... what do you think would happen?

I did not say that. I said not every reference to baptism refers to being immersed in water. Jesus immersed in water to identify with us.

Then we go right back around with the meaning of batism etc.

The Holy Spirit immerses or places us into Christ at the moment of salvation. Water immersion is a picture of that spiritual immersion/identification.

I should have been more clear, that's my fault. Could you point to me in the Bible where one verse indicates baptism with water and another indicates baptism of the Holy Spirit? Like where those 3,000 souls were added to the church were they told to be baptized with the Holy Spirit or were they told to actually be baptized in the water?