Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[Guest shiloh357]

That is sloppy exegesis. Anyone can cherry pick certain verses and string them together like lights on a Christmas tree and make the Bible say whatever they want it to say. That is one tell-tale way of spotting false doctrine. It is never based on a treatise or solid teaching from Scripture is based on grabbing individual verses, ignoring their immediate context and subjectively applying them to issues they were not meant to address.

That demonstrates nothing but a very cultic handling of Scripture.

It is cultic to read and study the bible and look at the bigger picture?

You are not looking at any picture beyond what your cult wants you to see and frankly both you and eis are horrible in terms of exegesis and have no business telling anyone anything about the Bible.

I don't know there, friend, you are the one who sounds "cultic". Maybe my hermeneutic doesn't match yours, but it appears that it is much more correct.

Your "hermeneutic" is based on promoting a works-based salvation. You diminish the work of Christ and no, my view is not cultic in that I appeal solely to the work of Christ on the cross. It is when YOU who opened up this thread on the grounds of who you should consider "brothers," you revealed just how cultic your mentality is. It is cults who think that everyone outside of their person system of salvation are not saved.

[Guest shiloh357]

... frankly both you and eis are horrible in terms of exegesis and have no business telling anyone anything about the Bible.

And you are qualified based on what? Your exegesis?

No based on the sloppy, bargain-basement "theology" you have been peddling on this board since you arrived here.

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE (eis @ Mar 24 2010, 12:25 PM)

I feel that the totality of the Word indicates that baptism is necessary and that one is not saved by grace until that part of their faith is acted upon.

That is the antithesis of grace.

Grace is received by faith. It is not received by baptism.

[eis]

I don't remember saying anything about "exceptions to rules". I am just telling you waht happened according to the writings found in Acts. A book that actually repeats over and over the preaching of the gospel and how those who obeyed the gospel though hearing, believing, repenting of their sins, confessing Jesus, being baptized into Christ (putting Him on, being baptized into His death), arising and walking in newness of life everlasting and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (however that manifest for their time). Those were the saved ones. No place indicates that there was a departure from that pattern. Your horse that you are beating is as dead as the doctrine of faith only salvation.

You have been making exceptions to rules this whole thread. First there was the exception for those that "want" to get baptized but die before they can. Then there was the exception of the Holy Spirit coming on someone before they are saved.

The problem with this false view of yours is that it requires you to jump through hoops time and time again to come up with exceptions to rules you say are there. That is not how God works.

Friend, I see how it is with you. If I say they are damned then you say I am playing God. If I say God will decide then I am making erroneous exceptions. Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic. You see, I don't think you are really convinced of what you are trying to prove at times. You admittedly left a church that you consider cultish and vehemently try to hurl insults upon those who have stayed.

If the Scripture says something to the positive then there is no negative unless it is specifically stated. In other words by your own exercise of using such arguments I could do or preach anything I want in any form of service unless it had a specific negative imperative.

There is no "winning" with you. Not that I'm trying to win, it's just a figure of speech.

[Guest shiloh357]

Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic.

Actually, unless you teach the Bible's version of saving grace, which is through faith alone in Christ and His finished work on the cross you are teaching cultic, heretical things.

[eis]

Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic.

Actually, unless you teach the Bible's version of saving grace, which is through faith alone in Christ and His finished work on the cross you are teaching cultic, heretical things.

No your version and those with whom you agree.

[Guest shiloh357]

Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic.

Actually, unless you teach the Bible's version of saving grace, which is through faith alone in Christ and His finished work on the cross you are teaching cultic, heretical things.

No your version and those with whom you agree.

I agree with the Bible.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

(Eph 2:8-9)

It is too bad that Jesus is not good enough for you and that you feel you need to add to the pure gospel.

[eis]

Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic.

Actually, unless you teach the Bible's version of saving grace, which is through faith alone in Christ and His finished work on the cross you are teaching cultic, heretical things.

No your version and those with whom you agree.

I agree with the Bible.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

(Eph 2:8-9)

It is too bad that Jesus is not good enough for you and that you feel you need to add to the pure gospel.

Sorry, those socks don't fit.

[Guest shiloh357]

Unless I teach your version of saving grace then I am a cult member or heretic.

Actually, unless you teach the Bible's version of saving grace, which is through faith alone in Christ and His finished work on the cross you are teaching cultic, heretical things.

No your version and those with whom you agree.

I agree with the Bible.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

(Eph 2:8-9)

It is too bad that Jesus is not good enough for you and that you feel you need to add to the pure gospel.

Sorry, those socks don't fit.

Yeah they fit quite well. You can either trust in Christ to save you, or you can trust in baptism to save you. You cannot trust in both. Salvation is Jesus + 0. You can put your faith in Jesus, or you can take your chances with your works-based theology.

[eis]

i have no clue what you are talking about. I have never been to a church that I consider cultish. you must have me mistaken with another.

Then I direct you to this post by you.Your Post