Why Must the Church Come to Accept Evolution?

[ollkiller]

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

Tis funny because millions of people all over the world are christian and believe evolution. By this reckoning does that mean if you believe in both your going to hell.

[ollkiller]

Say They See They See

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1 Corinthians 3:18-21

I may be totally off track here and correct me if i'm wrong but are you saying if someone is wise in relation to how it all started (apart from God)then they are a fool or is it anyone who thinks they are wise on any subject is a fool.

[Rick-Parker]

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

Tis funny because millions of people all over the world are christian and believe evolution. By this reckoning does that mean if you believe in both your going to hell.

If you don't believe in the Bible's truth about the creation of Adam and Eve, then you deny God and are lost. That simple. If you or some "science teacher" who claims to be saved don't understand that, then you are wasting your and our time here and will be marginalized as you should be.

[Guest]

Say They See They See

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1 Corinthians 3:18-21

I may be totally off track here and correct me if i'm wrong but are you saying if someone is wise in relation to how it all started (apart from God)then they are a fool or is it anyone who thinks they are wise on any subject is a fool.

Bottom

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

Line

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

Jesus Saves

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Your Call

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Bottom Line Dear One - Be Wise

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Matthew 2:1-2

Or Not

Love, Joe

[Guest shiloh357]

God's Word and Christ's words tell us that if people refuse to hear the truth, that we are to leave them to their fate. Matthew 10:11-15 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! These verses apply to individuals just as well as cities and towns.

That applied to THAT situation. It is not a doctrine of personal evangelism. Jesus gave that command to his original disciples within the context of a particular mission. It was not a command given to the church to be observed for all time.

There may come a time when a particular line of communication must be abandoned due to a lack of fruit, but there is nothing in the New Testament that teaches us that we share the gospel for a season and then abandon unbelievers to their sin.

[Fez]

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

Tis funny because millions of people all over the world are christian and believe evolution. By this reckoning does that mean if you believe in both your going to hell.

If you don't believe in the Bible's truth about the creation of Adam and Eve, then you deny God and are lost. That simple. If you or some "science teacher" who claims to be saved don't understand that, then you are wasting your and our time here and will be marginalized as you should be.

You cannot believe in both, it's kind of like believing in Islam and Christianity, can't be done. As to you going to hell, I am not God, and I cannot profess to even begin to understand His will for you, so I am not the judge, He is. All I can do for you, because I know Him, is to pray for you. Would you like me to do that for you?

Blessings

[Rick-Parker]

God's Word and Christ's words tell us that if people refuse to hear the truth, that we are to leave them to their fate. Matthew 10:11-15 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! These verses apply to individuals just as well as cities and towns.

That applied to THAT situation. It is not a doctrine of personal evangelism. Jesus gave that command to his original disciples within the context of a particular mission. It was not a command given to the church to be observed for all time.

There may come a time when a particular line of communication must be abandoned due to a lack of fruit, but there is nothing in the New Testament that teaches us that we share the gospel for a season and then abandon unbelievers to their sin.

You are not abandoning them to their sin. You are turning them over to the Holy Spirit. Still, there are numerous instances when God ran out of patience with someone or a people and either left them to their own sin or destroyed them completely. Gods patience is not endless, nor should ours be. Someone has to say "enough is enough" and put an end to the teaching of false doctrine. For me, I feel that time is now with this individual on this topic and others like it and him. Therefore, this scripture, which I did give in context, does apply perfectly.

[ollkiller]

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

Tis funny because millions of people all over the world are christian and believe evolution. By this reckoning does that mean if you believe in both your going to hell.

If you don't believe in the Bible's truth about the creation of Adam and Eve, then you deny God and are lost. That simple. If you or some "science teacher" who claims to be saved don't understand that, then you are wasting your and our time here and will be marginalized as you should be.

Right, i get what your saying. Now as an example i have a few friends here in ireland who are devoted catholics, really devout and all rounded people. Now they believe in evolution but as i said are very religious and live their lives according to the bible. Now catholicism advocates evolution saying it's all in god's plan so that's why i think they believe it. Now my question is are these people according to your understanding of the bible going to hell.

[ollkiller]

Say They See They See

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1 Corinthians 3:18-21

I may be totally off track here and correct me if i'm wrong but are you saying if someone is wise in relation to how it all started (apart from God)then they are a fool or is it anyone who thinks they are wise on any subject is a fool.

Bottom

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

Line

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

Jesus Saves

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Your Call

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Bottom Line Dear One - Be Wise

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Matthew 2:1-2

Or Not

Love, Joe

Good post joe i got ya that time. Now another question if you would indulge me as i would be unwise acocording to you. I have opened myself to god but have never felt his/her presence. I am not against the idea of god at all just that i have not felt what other people would feel. Does this still make me unwise or just lost. Sorry for the litany of questions.

[Fez]

Say They See They See

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1 Corinthians 3:18-21

I may be totally off track here and correct me if i'm wrong but are you saying if someone is wise in relation to how it all started (apart from God)then they are a fool or is it anyone who thinks they are wise on any subject is a fool.

Bottom

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

Line

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

Jesus Saves

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Your Call

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Bottom Line Dear One - Be Wise

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. Matthew 2:1-2

Or Not

Love, Joe

Good post joe i got ya that time. Now another question if you would indulge me as i would be unwise acocording to you. I have opened myself to god but have never felt his/her presence. I am not against the idea of god at all just that i have not felt what other people would feel. Does this still make me unwise or just lost. Sorry for the litany of questions.

It makes you neither, it simply means you are asking questions, and in my opinion that's a good thing, provided your motives for doing so are pure. For instance referring to God (note capital), as "his/her", also brings into question your sincerity. How can you open yourself up to God (note capitals), when you question God's very existence by, on a Christian Ministry site saying something like his/her, when you know full well that God is God and is referred to in the bible as He?