Where was Joseph?

[ServingHim]

Also history agrees that the "half-brothers" of Jesus were the children that Mary and Joseph had after their marriage. Take James, author of the book of James, he is clearly younger than Jesus but is his brother. This means that he is a son of Mary and Joseph.

Well, that answers the question about Joseph havng a previous marriage IMO.

I thought James was the brother of John, the son of Zebedee (Luke 5:10)? Though there is another James, the son of Alphaeus (Matt 10:3). So that's 2 James ... neither one seems to be the sibling of Jesus unless Jesus' father was Zebedee OR Alphaeus.

[ServingHim]

Here's the passage where Jesus is dedicated as the firstborn male

so in order to be a 'firstborn', one MUST have a 'second born'? So are you telling me that when the LORD said He would smite ALL the first-born males in the houses of those who didn't place the blood of the sacrificed lamb on the door and ate the lamb that evening ALL had more than one child...that it is impossible to have a first born child without a second born? Yet God spoke of ALL first-borns. I know that my brother-in-law's first-born is a beautiful daughter...BUT he has no other children. She is still the first-born, and also the ONLY child.

[ServingHim]

In regards to the topic at hand, I agree that it doesn't really matter but I always understood that Joseph had died prior to the crucifixion.

I agree...and that is my belief as well! :il:

[nebula]

I thought James was the brother of John, the son of Zebedee (Luke 5:10)? Though there is another James, the son of Alphaeus (Matt 10:3).  So that's 2 James ... neither one seems to be the sibling of Jesus unless Jesus' father was Zebedee OR Alphaeus. 

Matthew 13:55

"Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

He's the one who authored the book of James in the New Testament. (Recall that James the brother of John was the first of the 12 Apostles to be martyred.)

Likewise, recall the controversy over the burial box inscribed: "James son of Joseph brother of Jesus." They were trying to determine if the box was genuinely the James who was brother to the Lord Jesus or not.

You can read an old article here about it, if you don't remember.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...anrelicbox.html

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Now back to my first question:

Where in the Bible does it say that Joseph had children from a previous marriage?

[JesusisGod2]

Also history agrees that the "half-brothers" of Jesus were the children that Mary and Joseph had after their marriage. Take James, author of the book of James, he is clearly younger than Jesus but is his brother. This means that he is a son of Mary and Joseph.

Well, that answers the question about Joseph havng a previous marriage IMO.

I thought James was the brother of John, the son of Zebedee (Luke 5:10)? Though there is another James, the son of Alphaeus (Matt 10:3). So that's 2 James ... neither one seems to be the sibling of Jesus unless Jesus' father was Zebedee OR Alphaeus.

Galatians 1:19

But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.

[ServingHim]

I thought James was the brother of John, the son of Zebedee (Luke 5:10)? Though there is another James, the son of Alphaeus (Matt 10:3).

[ServingHim]

oh, and in my studying, I also found 2 other Judas' ... one who was also called 'Barsabas' (Acts 15:22); the other Judas, noted above, was one who apparently was a disciple and lived on Straight street where Jesus sent Annais to find Saul (Acts 9:11)... there is also another Judas who is the 'son of James' (Luke 6:16) who might also be known as "Thaddeus" (Mark 3:18)...

[ServingHim]

me again...sorry. Also, I find 2 James' recorded: James, son of Zebedee (throughout all the gospels & Acts - Matt 4:21, Matt 10:2) and James, the son of Alphaeus (Matt 10:3, and many more).

Why is it that ONLY time that James (the brother of Jesus) is mentioned is in the Letter of James, and at that, never again was Mary ever mentioned that James was her son? Like the above scriptures, if JAMES is indeed Jesus' blood sibling, then so do Judas, Simon & Joseph have to be as well. It just doesn't add up, IMHO.

[nebula]

I have a Grandpa named "Curt," a cousin named "Curt," and a brother named "Curt."

I have had at least three friends with the name of "John" in my life at one time or another.

I have been in a class with two "Cheryl's" in it.

Is it any suprise that there would be more than one person in Israel at the time of the Gospels with the names of "Joseph," "James," "John," "Judas," etc.

Did you know that "Jesus" was actually a common name to have as well? (Yes, there were other men named "Jesus" other than our Lord walking the Earth at the same time as Him.)

Although, all these names were more like: Yachov, Yosef, Yeshua, Yudah, etc.

Do you know how many "Mary's" (Miriam) there were in Yeshua's life?

So, just because Jesus' brothers had names that other disciples had doesn't mean any of them were the same person!

But let us look at the entire paasage again, shall we?

Matthew 13

53 When Jesus had finished these parables, He departed from there.

54 He came to His hometown and began teaching them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?

55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household."

58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.

The people from His home town were truly talking about His flesh and blood family - mother, brothers and sisters.

[ServingHim]

Now back to my first question:

Where in the Bible does it say that Joseph had children from a previous marriage?

it doesn't...neither does it say that Mary birthed James, Simon, Judas OR Joseph either! :il: