Where was Joseph?

[ServingHim]

The people from His home town were truly talking about His flesh and blood family - mother, brothers and sisters.

so you are saying that Simon, Judas, James and Joseph are ALL BLOOD BROTHERS (i.e. birthed by Mary, conceived by Joseph mary's husband's seed)?

Then these too must be His blood brothers? among the brethren (the company of persons was in all about a hundred and twenty) Acts 1:15

I disagree with you, but we can most certainly agree to disagree. You have not shown scripturally that those 4 people (Simon, Judas, James & Joseph) from Matt 13:55 are actually blood siblings of Jesus, birthed by Mary. And I believe that if James (one of them anyway) was ACTUALLY the blood son and blood brother to Jesus, then wouldn't he have been a 'disciple' of His Brother, the Son of God?! Would he ONLY be noted in writing a book called James, after him, or would he have been noted in being a follower, an apostle, or disciple of His Brother, His Savior. I can't seem to find him anywhere else...only the James' that I described above with the references. But I'm open if you can point me in another direction that shows that Jesus BLOOD SIBLING was noted elsewhere OTHER than that one verse noting "Jesus brother, James"...

[ServingHim]

Did you know that "Jesus" was actually a common name to have as well? (Yes, there were other men named "Jesus" other than our Lord walking the Earth at the same time as Him.)

perhaps, but amazingly no one else in Scripture had this name...if it was so common, why was it not also noted somewhere else in Scripture? :il:

[ServingHim]

55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us?

any names of any blood sibling sisters noted in Scripture? I'd think they'd be pretty important in Jesus' ministry...

[MrClickBoy]

Matthew 13

53 When Jesus had finished these parables, He departed from there.

54 He came to His hometown and began teaching them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?

55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household."

58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.

Hey ServingHim,

In the passage above, the townspoeple from Jesus hometown are deliberately trying to point out Jesus' commonness. In their eyes he is just like themselves, they're pointing out his dad, his mom and his brothers as evidence that he is nothing but one of them. That is *WHY* they couldn't accept him as a prophet (or more than that!)

Re-read the section and look at THEIR motivation for what they're saying. They wouldn't be talking about his followers, they don't believe he's anyone important! It just really wouldn't make any sense whatsoever based on what they are saying... rather than deciding on your point of view and then walking into the passage, walk into the passage and let it speak to you... I've had to do this a lot over the years, and it works even though it often made me uncomfortable.

Your interpretation of James and Joseph and Simon and Judas being anything other than brothers just doesn't fit with this passage.

If it was only one passage you might be able to step over it, but there are many, already mentioned in this thread... Perhaps your just making this too difficult by trying to make it say something else... it's REALLY OBVIOUS to most of us here.

I really appreciate your point of view, (even though I disagree) I have a close catholic friend named Paolo(I was just in his wedding). He and I often have these discussions, I love him a lot, but I just can't seem to get him to read the scriptures without seeing it through MARY colored sun glasses.

But I must protest! ...for I am a PROTESTANT

Blessing Bro!

MrClickBoy

One of the messages of my friend paolo when he talks of the importance of the pope, and the catholic church is that without their leadership we could come to too many different points of view... but the flip side is it is possible to be unified behind the wrong point of view. -Just a thought.

[nebula]

Did you know that "Jesus" was actually a common name to have as well?  (Yes, there were other men named "Jesus" other than our Lord walking the Earth at the same time as Him.)

perhaps, but amazingly no one else in Scripture had this name...if it was so common, why was it not also noted somewhere else in Scripture? :il:

Acts 13:6

They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar

[JesusisGod2]

Actually His name appears or the Name Jesus anyway appears many times in the old testament.

I was reading Ezra the other day and the name Jeshua kept popping out, I myself have always thought that Jesus was the first to have been named that in the bible, however, I was aware of the name being given to other individuals afterwards.

Ezra 2:2

Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mizpar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:

Ezra 2:6

The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve.

Ezra 3:2

Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.

There are many more mentions of the name in Ezra and it is also a name mentioned in the Chronicles

1 Chronicles 24:11

The ninth to Jeshuah, the tenth to Shecaniah,

15

[ServingHim]

Your interpretation of James and Joseph and Simon and Judas being anything other than brothers just doesn't fit with this passage.

how so? So you think that ALL 4 of these men are actually sons of Mary and Joseph? Where in scripture does it point to this as being so?

But I must protest!  ...for I am a PROTESTANT 

I guess one must do what they have to do to fit into the group!

[ServingHim]

Did you know that "Jesus" was actually a common name to have as well?

[ServingHim]

Actually His name appears or the Name Jesus anyway appears many times in the old testament.

I was reading Ezra the other day and the name Jeshua kept popping out, I myself have always thought that Jesus was the first to have been named that in the bible, however, I was aware of the name being given to other individuals afterwards.

Ezra 2:2

Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mizpar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:

Ezra 2:6

The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve.

Ezra 3:2

Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.

There are many more mentions of the name in Ezra and it is also a name mentioned in the Chronicles

1 Chronicles 24:11

The ninth to Jeshuah, the tenth to Shecaniah,

15

[ServingHim]

bottom line...none of the evidence that anyone has shown in any way gives evidence that Jesus had ACTUAL blood siblings that Mary gave birth to...I've given much scriptural evidence to show that those alleged people that you claim ARE his actual blood siblings, birthed by Mary and fathered by Joseph are indeed just either 'brethren' (i.e. FOLLOWERS just as you and I are) and belong to someone else, other families, or perhaps 'relatives', but NOT birthed by Mary, fathered by Joseph. It seems that you are reading your interpretation INTO the passages in order to MAKE it fit your own beliefs. I don't have a problem with this whatsoever, but your reading INTO the scriptures the meaning you want it to have does NOT make it Truth, IMHO.