How do we overcome?

[lekh l'kha]

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

"And they overcame him by their own blood"

No they didn't - they overcame Him by the blood of the Lamb:

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11)

"For everything that has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? " (1Jn 5:4-5)

Faith in Whom? Faith in what?

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Let it not be! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" (Rom 6:1-2).

Would Paul have told anyone to work out their salvation with fear and trembling if there was no need for it?

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure." (Php 2:12-13).

Are the following verses really speaking about something which is an impossibility for those who have become partakers of the Holy Spirit?:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come, and who have fallen away (apostatized); it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame.

(For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for those by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God. But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected and is a curse, whose end is to be burned.)

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation , though we speak in this way." (Heb 6:4-9)

What things accompany salvation?

"For everything that has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? " (1Jn 5:4-5)

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

"And they overcame him by their own blood"

No they didn't - they overcame Him by the blood of the Lamb:

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11)

So how do we overcome the flesh, the world, sin and temptation?

Faith in the blood of the Lamb:

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

"Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!" (Rom 11:20-21)

Faith in Whom? Faith in what?

Faith in the blood of the Lamb:

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

Faith in the blood! Faith in the blood! There's nothing overcomes except faith in the blood!

And what is it about the blood that we are to have faith in?

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

This is why Paul said we stand by faith:

"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:" (Rom 11:20)

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." (Heb 3:12).

Faith in the fact that we should not sin because we have died with Christ but if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous who is the propitiation for our sins.

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

[Guest man]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Look at Matthew 7:21-23. Also read the parable of the ten virgins.

[e lansing]

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

"And they overcame him by their own blood"

No they didn't - they overcame Him by the blood of the Lamb:

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11)

"For everything that has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? " (1Jn 5:4-5)

Faith in Whom? Faith in what?

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11).

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Let it not be! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" (Rom 6:1-2).

Would Paul have told anyone to work out their salvation with fear and trembling if there was no need for it?

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure." (Php 2:12-13).

Are the following verses really speaking about something which is an impossibility for those who have become partakers of the Holy Spirit?:

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come, and who have fallen away (apostatized); it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame.

(For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for those by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God. But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected and is a curse, whose end is to be burned.)

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation , though we speak in this way." (Heb 6:4-9)

What things accompany salvation?

"For everything that has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? " (1Jn 5:4-5)

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

"And they overcame him by their own blood"

No they didn't - they overcame Him by the blood of the Lamb:

"And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death." (Rev 12:11)

So how do we overcome the flesh, the world, sin and temptation?

Faith in the blood of the Lamb:

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

"Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!" (Rom 11:20-21)

Faith in Whom? Faith in what?

Faith in the blood of the Lamb:

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

Faith in the blood! Faith in the blood! There's nothing overcomes except faith in the blood!

And what is it about the blood that we are to have faith in?

"My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He is the propitiation concerning our sins, and not concerning ours only, but also concerning the sins of all the world." (1Jn 2:1-2)

This is why Paul said we stand by faith:

"Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:" (Rom 11:20)

"Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." (Heb 3:12).

Faith in the fact that we should not sin because we have died with Christ but if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father: Jesus Christ the righteous who is the propitiation for our sins.

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

yep! Hebrews 6:4-6, !0:26,27, 3:7-12, 4:11 These passages are speaking to Christians and are impling that they could fall short through disobedince.

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[lekh l'kha]

Is there any way that someone who has faith in the blood of Jesus could have His name blotted out of the book of Life?

Look at Matthew 7:21-23. Also read the parable of the ten virgins.

In Mat.7:21-23, the context is false prophets coming in the name of Jesus, and how we will know them by their fruits (Mat.7:15-20). What do false prophets do?

"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works? And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!" (Mat 7:22-23).

In the parable of the ten virgins, all ten of them were asleep when the bridegroom came - just like "the church" went to sleep when Jesus asked them to watch and pray with Him. How do wise virgins take oil with them?

Through faith in the blood of the Lamb. Who gives us that faith? The Holy Spirit. But this is being debated in the other thread...

This thread is about how do we overcome the world, the flesh and the devil?

[Guest man]

This thread is about how do we overcome the world, the flesh and the devil?

By adhering to the Word of God as a whole, not just bits and pieces.

[~candice~]

It's certainly not our own power by which we overcome...

Jud 1:24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,

Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

1Jn 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.

1Jn 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jn 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.

1Jn 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father.

1Jn 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world--the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions--is not from the Father but is from the world.

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,

and by the word of their testimony;

and they loved not their lives unto the death" (Revelation 12:11).

[Guest man]

It's certainly not our own power by which we overcome...

True, but we have to at least put alittle effort into it.

2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

Thank you for including this verse in your post?

[~candice~]

It's certainly not our own power by which we overcome...

True, but we have to at least put alittle effort into it.

Of course we do! We have to run the race.

It struck me yesterday (haha... I'm slow) that it's a running race, not a walk. Why do people call it a walk, when we are told to run? Running is so much higher intensity than walking... it is more effort expended, more focussed. We put a lot of effort into it.

2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

Thank you for including this verse in your post?

[e lansing]

It's certainly not our own power by which we overcome...

Jud 1:24 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,

Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

1Jn 4:4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

1Jn 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.

1Jn 5:5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

1Jn 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins are forgiven for his name's sake.

1Jn 2:13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, children, because you know the Father.

1Jn 2:14 I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world--the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions--is not from the Father but is from the world.

We do overcome by the blood of the lamb and our testimony. What Christ has done for all those who believe in Him, no one could have done for us, not even our good deed. But if a christian chose not to follow God Word and will, will suffer the choice of that, which is sin. Hebrews 6:4-6.

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