Corporate faith

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When I was attending college - at a Christian college - more often than not those denominational differences meant nothing when it came to fellowship and worship.

When at Chapel or concerts (Christian artists) or the bonfire or ministry groups, we all worshiped and ministered together in unity.

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So, while yes we have a one-on-one relationship with the Father through the Son, do we not also have a corporate relation?

The first part answers the second...

How is love demonstrated? Who has it?

The answer reveals truth.

[10west]

That's a good one, and very significant. It also relates to 1 Peter 4:17. That the judgment would actually begin with this entity, as in upon it. But since a "judgment" is indiscriminate in itself, it can be a good or bad judgment.

The significance, as I even see reading this post, is in the old adage, "divide and conquer". I think the "corporate body" has fallen as fast asleep as had the "corporate body" of Jesus' Jerusalem, they snoozed into decadence, materialism, and even condemnation of the Holy One, Jesus, to death, a railroad job, from ones who claimed to know and be authorities on the Bible of that time. While, their common enemy gathered at the gates, Jerusalem's divided devastation by the Roman armies of the time, 70 AD, finalized in flames.

Today the church faces a huge global enemy in the "Illuminati", or whatever you want to call that "body" of the Satanic New World Order, a global "corporation", waiting for attack, planning, setting up the divisions, ready for a fateful day, pre-planned for centuries...

All the pieces are there about it all now, all the history, all the research, all the fodder that even the History Channel, and Discover expose, but the church? Arguing politics, metaphysics and just what seat they are going to have beside Jesus in heaven. zzzzz zzzz zzz zzzz zzzzz zzzz....

Tekel, tekel... as the writing on the wall is ignored, even worse than in Babylon. We could try to sew the pieces back together, but I think it's sawn asunder just too well, and chopped in to just too many pieces, many which have decomposed into non-living tissue, centuries old, across oceans, and splattered across bloody pages of history and religio-political meddling over milleniums, geez! Maybe her sins have piled up clear to heaven, but I think the Christendom harlot, is just the little daughter of a far grander harlot, who too, will be in the Illuminati sights as well; globally.

I guess Jesus doesn't lie, Mathew 24:13, "he who stands firm..." So, get ready, He is at the door, and they are at the gate...

Put your faith in Jesus and the Bible, not some imaginary "body", in my opinion... They don't call it "Har-Magedon" for nothing, he will wipe them from existence, because trust Jesus, they are coming soon, they are drawn there (Rev 16:14-16) (2 Thess 1:18)

[EricH]

This is something that's been mulling in my head for a while. So I thought I'd open a discussion on it, and see what comes out of it. Hopefully, it will be a good one.

My basic train of thought had to do with our perception of our faith and our relationship with God and with each other.

We all know we have an individual faith, and individual relationship with God, and individual relations with each other.

Yet, Scripturally, the "Body of Christ" and the "Bride of Christ" is a corporate entity.

So, while yes we have a one-on-one relationship with the Father through the Son, do we not also have a corporate relation? A corporate faith? (And by that I don't mean a common belief, but a united trust expressed through actions.)

You might be onto something. Jesus did not do miracles in certain towns because of the lack of faith there.

[10west]

It's coming down to it. In 1990, everyone laughed at "conspiracy" theorists, but this is broad day light stuff, they make movies about it, cable news journals do on going segments on it. In the "Protocols of the Learned Men of Zion", they mention it in the complete versions, as "the self same day". A day these so called Illuminati, by Satanic guidance, make a checkmate move on the global chess board. But in the end, Jesus also has a day** when he will trample them upon his white steed of divine fury, with his armies, so it's pretty real, the world is expected to doubt, but we have to be ready, because it's going to drop in, like a thief, the thieves they are...

2 Thessalonians 1:10

"the day** he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed."

"when he comes to be glorified by his saints and to be regarded with wonder on that day**."

"on that day** when he comes to be honored among all his holy people and admired by all who have believed in him."

Luke 21:25

Edited June 30, 2010 by 10west

[Guest]

.....do we not also have a corporate relation? A corporate faith? (And by that I don't mean a common belief, but a united trust expressed through actions.)....

Yes!

If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Philippians 2:1-4

Of Course Dear Sister

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:19

We Are Blood By The Blood Of The Lamb

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:18-19

And The Children Of Our Heavenly Father So Far Far Above

For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:15

Connected With Bonds Of Holy Love Eternal

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. John 17:20-23

Surnamed By God

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

Forever

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Revelations 22:3-4

His

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Be Blessed Beloved Daughter Of The KING

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Romans 12:2-3

Be Very Blessed

Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 12:9-16

Love, Your Brother Joe

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[oldzimm]

I don't think corporate is the right word to use.

Yes we all have an individual relationship with God, as individuals we come together with the individual talents or gifts God has given us so we may do the works that God wants us to do. When we come together with our individual gifts to worship God and do his will, then we are a Church and Jesus is the head of the Church.

Ephesians 4:11-13

11 It was he (Jesus) who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,

12 to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the Knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.