Shin Bet Agent Breaks Cover in US for 'Son of Hamas'

[Axxman]

Why do you assume that my reading is so sparce? CNN and that wretched Amanpour woman are not the only people who interviewed him.

I never said I was an authority on what he says.

If he had claimed to receive assistance from extra-terrestrials in locating terrorists, THAT would be "crazy," "sensationalist," and "outlandish" according to my concept of those terms. If he had claimed that Jesus appeared at his table one morning during breakfast and told him to join Shin Bet, THAT would be what I call, "crazy," "sensationalist," and "outlandish." The stuff you present is pretty much nothing.

Aliens? Really? Thats your bar for over-the-top and outlandish? LOL!!! SO nothing anybody says is ever outlandish to you unless they bring out the extra-terrestials? Gimme a break bro! While I agree that would be crazy...I also happen to think that sitting on National TV and saying things like, "Yeah, they thought I was a genius, you know, so one of the top spy agencies in the world dropped their agendas and started working for me and my agendas." is an equally over-the-top statement...along with the multiple other things he has said.

He made them, but YOU assigned values to them that did not come out in the interview, nor in any other write up about him. You misrepresented his remarks to mean things he did not intend, and that is far worse than simply having a different definition of sensationalism.

I could almost buy that line of reasoning...if he didn't reiterate the point by saying "I said it earlier, and I don't know if you believed me or not, but I was serious..." Also, many of his outrageous comments about Israel are repeated in many interviews...its how he feels. I am not assigning anything to his words.

I did not say I did not have a grasp on the materials. I would appreciate it if you would cease overstating and exaggerating my remarks. It is why I find you hard to talk to. I can't have a discussion with you without you misrepresenting my remarks.

Hmmm...Upon re-reading the exchange I can see that you may have been referring to the second sentence about not knowing about "G's" dismissal. I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I simply thought you were referring to the whole portion of my comment that you re-quoted. I apologize.

ME: No, it was more the fact that you simply didn't know the material. You had no idea that "G" was dismissed from the Shin Bet.

YOU: No, I didn't. So what??

Assuming that I'm reading it right now, that was an easy mistake to make...totally unintentional.

Even if I don't agree with him over Israel, he does not deserve to have people like you misrepresenting what he says, just so you can try to score points on a messageboard.

Hold up!! We get points for this??? You keep accusing me of misrepresenting him...but then you say you've read and/or seen other interviews with him. That does not compute with me because so have I and he says the same thing in almost all his interviews...lol. I will admit that Amanpour is the only person I've heard him tell that he could go home and live if he wanted to. But that stands to reason since shortly after making that statement he suddenly became afraid to go home and launched his "the US gov't is trying to kill me" campaign.

Tell you what...you show me ANYTHING, from any interview that refutes these comments that I am allegedly misrepresenting.

I am talking about the spirit that is present in your responses. It creates the same irritating feeling I used to get from the guys at the factory.

I have to admit that the thought has crossed my mind that if you were as good at reading those guys, as you have been with me...its possible they had a point. Cuz you have me pegged all wrong....

Stop attacking me because you got this one wrong from your very first post. I doubt you could judge my character (or spirit) if we were in the same room...let alone by my typing style on a forum...lol!!!

[nebula]

Stop attacking me because you got this one wrong from your very first post. I doubt you could judge my character (or spirit) if we were in the same room...let alone by my typing style on a forum...lol!!!

That's been going both ways, though.

[Axxman]

Stop attacking me because you got this one wrong from your very first post. I doubt you could judge my character (or spirit) if we were in the same room...let alone by my typing style on a forum...lol!!!

That's been going both ways, though.

Has it? I don't recall defining the spirit of his every post...hmmm. I don't recall saying anything close to accusing him of "having a crush of Islam" or "treating Islam like a 90 yr old grandmother." Or any of the other attacks and innuendos.

In fact, I have tried several times to let him know that he is of value to me, that I have learned from him, and that I consider him a source of knowledge on certain topics....there is no BOTH ways about any of it.

But I'm okay

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Jul 5 2010, 03:46 PM)

Why do you assume that my reading is so sparce? CNN and that wretched Amanpour woman are not the only people who interviewed him.

I never said I was an authority on what he says.

If he had claimed to receive assistance from extra-terrestrials in locating terrorists, THAT would be "crazy," "sensationalist," and "outlandish" according to my concept of those terms. If he had claimed that Jesus appeared at his table one morning during breakfast and told him to join Shin Bet, THAT would be what I call, "crazy," "sensationalist," and "outlandish." The stuff you present is pretty much nothing.

Aliens? Really? Thats your bar for over-the-top and outlandish? LOL!!! SO nothing anybody says is ever outlandish to you unless they bring out the extra-terrestials?

No, that is not what I said. Again, you are overstating what I said. My point was that when I think of something that is "outlandish" it is something completely unbelievable and cannot have the ring of truth to any one operating from common sense. The stuff you presented does not come up with that when examined in the context of the conversation and the spirit in which the speaker/author intended to be understood.

also happen to think that sitting on National TV and saying things like, "Yeah, they thought I was a genius, you know, so one of the top spy agencies in the world dropped their agendas and started working for me and my agendas." is an equally over-the-top statement

Except that is not what he said and that is not the spirit in which it was spoken. You spinning his comments to produce the emotional connotation that you have assigned to them.

In addition to that, Yousef's mother tongue is not English and that also flavors his comments. Simply reading a transcript does not do a conversation like that justice because I am not able to see body language, hear voice inflections, facial expressions and other aspects of communication that contribute to understanding a person. But just the context alone pretty much torpedoes the sensationalist accusation that you have assigned to this.

QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Jul 5 2010, 03:46 PM)

He made them, but YOU assigned values to them that did not come out in the interview, nor in any other write up about him. You misrepresented his remarks to mean things he did not intend, and that is far worse than simply having a different definition of sensationalism.

I could almost buy that line of reasoning...if he didn't reiterate the point by saying "I said it earlier, and I don't know if you believed me or not, but I was serious..." Also, many of his outrageous comments about Israel are repeated in many interviews...its how he feels. I am not assigning anything to his words.

You are doing nothing BUT assigning values to his words and your take on his comments are simply not supported in the avaiable data no matter how hard you try to spin them.

Tell you what...you show me ANYTHING, from any interview that refutes these comments that I am allegedly misrepresenting.

I have already demonstrated how you have misquoted him and misrepresented him from the very interview that you cite as your source.

You keep accusing me of misrepresenting him...but then you say you've read and/or seen other interviews with him. That does not compute with me because so have I and he says the same thing in almost all his interviews...lol.

Which makes my point. I read his comments and watch some of the interviews and I don't come away from him with the "sensationalist" take on his comments. I also note that you have misquoted him and that makes me leary of trusting what you say, because I have noticed your tendency to overstate and exaggerate and misquote in order to spin something the way you want it to appear so that you have something to knock down.

But that stands to reason since shortly after making that statement he suddenly became afraid to go home and launched his "the US gov't is trying to kill me" campaign.

See, exaggerations like that really hurt your credibility. You can't seem to debate this issue without adding stuff to the record that simply is not true.

QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Jul 5 2010, 03:46 PM)

I am talking about the spirit that is present in your responses. It creates the same irritating feeling I used to get from the guys at the factory.

I have to admit that the thought has crossed my mind that if you were as good at reading those guys, as you have been with me...its possible they had a point. Cuz you have me pegged all wrong....

Maybe it is not how you think you are, but it is the spirit that comes through your posts. It is the tenor and attitude you communicate.

Stop attacking me because you got this one wrong from your very first post. !!

I haven't really gotten anything wrong at all. And I have not not "attacked" you. I just apply a level of honesty that you are unwilling to face up to. The truth is, your posts have been nothing but a series of exaggerations and inaccuracies, and less than credible assertions from the start.

I doubt you could judge my character (or spirit) if we were in the same room...let alone by my typing style on a forum...lol!!!

Your character has not been judged by your typing style, but by the degree to which you are willing to stretch the truth and apply dishonest tactics in debate. If anything you have proven that you cannot be trusted in debate.

[nebula]

Stop attacking me because you got this one wrong from your very first post. I doubt you could judge my character (or spirit) if we were in the same room...let alone by my typing style on a forum...lol!!!

That's been going both ways, though.

Has it?

You have assigned motives to me that were not accurate, as I pointed out. That's what I was thinking of.

[Axxman]

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You have assigned motives to me that were not accurate, as I pointed out. That's what I was thinking of.

I said it was a joke...lol....loosen up!

I say one thing that you took the wrong way, and I quickly explained, and suddenly I'm on par with this guy that throws verbal grenades everytime he gets in over his head.

[Axxman]

Hey Shiloh...

I think we're done here. Its just the two of us now and the convo has basically disintegrated into you calling me a liar, and me saying "no I'm not."

[Guest shiloh357]

Hey Shiloh...

I think we're done here. Its just the two of us now and the convo has basically disintegrated into you calling me a liar, and me saying "no I'm not."

I don't think you are a liar. I don't think you are intentionally trying to deceive anyone. I think you really believe the nonsense you post. Rather, I have accused you of exaggerating, embellishing and overstating certain facts in order to justify your angst over Yousef. Again, you overstate my postion because you cannot rely on the facts as they are.

I say one thing that you took the wrong way, and I quickly explained, and suddenly I'm on par with this guy that throws verbal grenades everytime he gets in over his head.

I am not over my head at all. YOU are the one making exaggerations. I do allow myself to get too miffed at your arrogant, know-it-all" attitude. That is my fault.

Frankly, you have never been a very good debater and you generally get your facts wrong. So my "verbal grenades" are never from a feeling of being threatened, but are are response to your tendency to laugh off my position as if it were the stupidest thing you ever read and that I am somehow a gullible, illogical because I have the temerity to disagree with you. I also get tired of the way restate and spin my posts to mean something I did not intend and I have to waste time relcarifying everything because you are either unable to understand what I post or lack the integrity to want to. I will let you decide which it is.