Catholicism

[ServingHim]

The Lord, the Apostles and many others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as "Fathers" 

So I can go to the Pope and Call him "Chuck"?

(His given name is Karol, Polish for "Charles".)

If that is the kind of respect that you would give to him, then you're certainly welcome to call him whatever you see fit..

Do you not show any respect for anyone else either? What about your pastor of your church? Would you spoof at him as well?

[ServingHim]

Tradition is not always a good thing.

nor is it ALWAYS a bad thing! :il:

When it conflics with Scripture it is!

true! Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Teaching Magisterium are all in agreement with one another...if you desired to know more, you could look into it. But if you're not willing to learn, then we can drop the 'I'm right, you're wrong' shenannigans...

[BobTriez]

Tradition is not always a good thing.

nor is it ALWAYS a bad thing! :il:

When it conflics with Scripture it is!

true! Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Teaching Magisterium are all in agreement with one another...if you desired to know more, you could look into it. But if you're not willing to learn, then we can drop the 'I'm right, you're wrong' shenannigans...

No, JUST scripture ( ie. The BIBLE )!!!

[ServingHim]

But as Bob pointed out, Jesus said that we should call no man on earth "father". That is a distinction that belongs to God alone.

I believe he meant this in the context of a religious title, not that you can't call your mother's husband "father".

14 I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 16 I urge you, then, be imitators of me. 1 Cor 4:14-16

YES, and Paul is NOT our 'earthly' father...

What is YOUR interpretation of this verse?

WHY does Paul say that HE has become OUR FATHER in Christ Jesus?

WHY does he say that there are countless guides in Christ, but not many 'fathers' in Christ...I don't think he's talking about 'earthly' fathers...for we all only have ONE earthly father...he used plural 'father(s)'.

[sachi]

SERVING HIM

Is it that you JUST HAVE to try and prove the Catholic Church wrong, no matter what?!

NO, I have no interets in proving that.

I have a deep repect for my Catholic sisters and brother. Amen.

The Catholic Church is an old institution. It is almost 2000 years old.

In face of the growing strength of the barbarian tribes in pagan Europe , I will argue, that it was a historical imperative that the Catholic Church became instutionalized and an integral part ofthe State

formally I think it was under Constantine but prior to that there was a lot of work done in terms of addressing heresies and ratifying the fundamental creeds (like the Apostles Creed).

I t was essential / critical to have a bulwark like the Catholic Church to raise the standard of faith and Christianize a wild and barbarian people in darkness.

We as Protestants owe a lot to the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church was the purveyor of Christian truths for 1500 years until the Protestant Reformation.

Luther when he posted the 95 Thesis had notintention of separating from the church.

He wasted to clean it up. And it needed cleaning up.

But the Reformation was birthed from the Catholic Church.

We as Portestants don't have the corner on truth here guys.

The Reformation opened up the possibility for others in Swizerland (Calvin, I think) and in England and France - a new age of evagelism had arrived. Praise God.

But it does not diminish the autheticity of the Catholic Church as a Christian witness in the world.

Blessing -Sachi

[ServingHim]

Tradition is not always a good thing.

nor is it ALWAYS a bad thing! :il:

When it conflics with Scripture it is!

true! Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Teaching Magisterium are all in agreement with one another...if you desired to know more, you could look into it. But if you're not willing to learn, then we can drop the 'I'm right, you're wrong' shenannigans...

No, JUST scripture ( ie. The BIBLE )!!!

Bob, did you know that the Bible that you put the well deserved Trust into IS Sacred TRADITION (with a CAPITAL "T"). It didn't just fall out of the sky...PEOPLE put it together and Christ revealed to them that it IS TRUTH! In fact, the CHURCH (that's right...the CATHOLIC CHURCH) told us this...

[ServingHim]

SERVING HIM

Is it that you JUST HAVE to try and prove the Catholic Church wrong, no matter what?!

NO, I have no interets in proving that.

I have a deep repect for my Catholic sisters and brother.

I apologize...please forgive my 'assumption'... :il:

[stevehut]

Do you not show any respect for anyone else either? What about your pastor of your church? Would you spoof at him as well?

My point exactly.

If I am required to call any man by a title, that is idolatry.

My minister's name is Bob. And that's what I call him - Bob.

(No, not you Triez )

[stevehut]

Matthew 15:6-9

Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

" 'These people honor me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from me.

They worship me in vain;

their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "

Serving,

Scripture is not the same as tradition. Jesus made that distinction, right here.

[ServingHim]

Matthew 15:6-9

Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

    " 'These people honor me with their lips,

      but their hearts are far from me.

    They worship me in vain;

      their teachings are but rules taught by men.' "

Serving,

Scripture is not the same as tradition. Jesus made that distinction, right here.

that's tradition of 'men'...Paul SPEAKS of traditions...so which ones do YOU say he was speaking of?