Fulness of the gentiles.

[Guest agua]

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Is "the fulness of the Gentiles" an actual number of people or as many that come to Jesus before He returns?

[SteveK1]

I believe that the fullness of the Gentiles is the people who come to Jesus before his rapture. Now one can say that it is an actual number but - how many - we do not know - only the good Lord knows the actual number. Now additional gentiles along with the Jewish remnant will believe in the Messiah after the rapture, during those seven tribulation years.

The good Lord will save his people Israel, as when the nations mess with the Jewish people and Israel they are the apple of God's eye. Zechariah 2.8.

[OneLight]

There is another mention of a "number of people" that is refereed to those who are to become martyrs for Christ sake. This is found in Revelation 6:9-11:

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying,

[mizzdy]

Ex. 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

[OneLight]

Ex. 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

Where is this scripture? There is no Exodus 48 ...

[mizzdy]

Ex. 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

Where is this scripture? There is no Exodus 48 ...

Oh good grief! Sorry I have two bibles opened at my desk along with a ton of papers, along with double vision, well hmm I suppose its time to clean the desk off! I meant to write Gen. 48, in this chpt. Jacob is giving the blessings to Joesphs sons, Ephraim, Jacob says, will become the multitude of nations which as I understand it the fullness of the gentiles. So sorry I wrote the wrong book.

[OneLight]

Ex. 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

Where is this scripture? There is no Exodus 48 ...

Oh good grief! Sorry I have two bibles opened at my desk along with a ton of papers, along with double vision, well hmm I suppose its time to clean the desk off! I meant to write Gen. 48, in this chpt. Jacob is giving the blessings to Joesphs sons, Ephraim, Jacob says, will become the multitude of nations which as I understand it the fullness of the gentiles. So sorry I wrote the wrong book.

... I know what you mean ... too much clutter! Thanks for the clarification.

[Guest agua]

Gen 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

Gen 48:19 NAS77

(19) But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know; he also shall become a people and he also shall be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."

Gen 48:19 LITV

(19) And his father refused and said, I know, my son, I know. He also shall be a people, and he shall become great. But his younger brother shall become greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations.

I thought this was the blessing given to Abraham being repeated onto Ephraim.

Are you saying when the nations the northern 10 tribes are dispersed in have received the Gospel then Jesus will return?

[mizzdy]

Gen 48: 19 explains that Ephraim is the fullness of the gentiles or nations. Not specifically the tribe yet since all of the Northern Kingdom was dispersed they are scattered within all the nations of the world and when the 'fullness' of Ephraim or the nations come into belief of God and His Son then the 'fullness of the gentiles' will be fulfilled.

Gen 48:19 NAS77

(19) But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know; he also shall become a people and he also shall be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."

Gen 48:19 LITV

(19) And his father refused and said, I know, my son, I know. He also shall be a people, and he shall become great. But his younger brother shall become greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations.

I thought this was the blessing given to Abraham being repeated onto Ephraim.

Are you saying when the nations the northern 10 tribes are dispersed in have received the Gospel then Jesus will return?

I do think its when all who will return to Him from those scattered into the nations, thats when it will be complete. Yeshua came for the 'lost sheep' of Israel, they weren't really lost but God gave them over to the nations, scattered until the time of restoration is complete. Israel is all who believe, who return to Him, no matter genetics or what have you just as in the exodus of Egypt all who walk in faith belong to Him. The fulness would be the completion of all who 'keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah' and it brings the end of the age into the olam haba, the world to come or the Millennial reign of the Messiah. Ephraim the younger son was given the birthrite of the older son to become a greater people than his brother and we see that Ephraim was the largest of the tribes of the Northern Kingdom and in many instance we see Ephraim being called Israel or that the tribe represented Israel to the populous.

[Guest agua]

I do think its when all who will return to Him from those scattered into the nations, thats when it will be complete. Yeshua came for the 'lost sheep' of Israel, they weren't really lost but God gave them over to the nations, scattered until the time of restoration is complete. Israel is all who believe, who return to Him, no matter genetics or what have you just as in the exodus of Egypt all who walk in faith belong to Him. The fulness would be the completion of all who 'keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah' and it brings the end of the age into the olam haba, the world to come or the Millennial reign of the Messiah. Ephraim the younger son was given the birthrite of the older son to become a greater people than his brother and we see that Ephraim was the largest of the tribes of the Northern Kingdom and in many instance we see Ephraim being called Israel or that the tribe represented Israel to the populous.

interesting..does olam haba=the resurrection?