Jews are allowed, Gentiles not required.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I agree again that the Olive Tree does not represent Israel but the Kingdom of God. Israel does not own the Olive tree neither do Gentiles. The Olive Tree is of God and we are only branches within the Olive tree and its God who decides who will be apart of the Olive Tree.

The Kingdom means more then the presence of God because God's presence is unbound and and everywhere. The word Kingdom simply means "Kings Dominion" or where the King has rule and authority. When Paul says that the Kingdom is in you he means God rules and reigns in the hearts of men not in a physical kingdom like worldly kings but of a Spiritual Kingdom.

Jesus himself said if my Kingdom was of this world then I would fight but my Kingdom is not of this world.

I know there is great debate over the following verses, but they clearly indicate that there are those who claim "Jewishness' and are LIARS:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

This could also mean either way. Even Paul said just because you were born a Jew does not make you a true Jew. A true Jew is one that is circumcised of the heart and not of the flesh. Gentile Christians have been circumcised of the heart are just as much a true Jew as an Israeli Christian.

God does not have two bodies: one for Jewish believers and one for Gentiles believers. We are made one in Christ. We are of one body and one Spirit and one God. God does not see you as Jew or Gentile but as the Children of God.

God bless,

[shammah]

A true son of God of the flesh ( a Jew) under the old covenant, was not so much circumcision of the flesh but the heart, these that were not circumsized of the heart, but only of the flesh, were not true Jews but of the synagod of Satan.

The Gentiles were not handed over the Kingdom,but only allowed into it, that since Some natural branches were broken off, that they the un-natural branches may be grafted into the root and heritage, and of the Promise given to Abraham, and all those by faith, including Christs own People! Take away the people who believed from the old covenant, (you create a differant covenant) But not the New covenant, which was the everlasting covenant promised to His people, all that believe, not just gentiles.

If you think that Christ turned His back on His own people, becuase the Jewish leaders crucified Him, that is really obserd!

Please let those who can see and hear, let them do so! Let someone else answer, you give nothing new. Like I said I used to believe as you, and I know why you believe that way, some things can only be seen by revelation, and I no longer want to convince you, and never really did. You can keep believing what you do, you are still saved, but I know some things from the Lord, and I wish to share them.

This isn't such a topic as to dispute over , lets move on, the Lord will judge, but be careful not to anger the Spirit over this issue. If I'm wrong, I believe to the degree that I'm willing to recieve correction from Him, and the same should go for you! This disputing on words makes the Lord greived. So we dont convince each other!, lets not be an offense to the whole board! On my behalf I apologize to everyone; but let it be known I seek the deeper things and try through the Spirit to share them, if Ernie represents you all, I will be happy, but also sad, to fellowship with those of the same Spirit, somewhere else; in Yah Shua's Name; Shammah -2.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Jedi,

You have no idea how much it means to me for you to recognize that the Olive Tree IS "the Kingdom of God", and it is NOT Israel. You are absolutely correct when you say that God is "unbounded" by location or presence in any one person or people group. This is why the "Kingdom of God" was NEVER solely the Jews, although God DID "manifest His presence" to them FIRST and maintained THAT PRESENCE up to the cross, whereupon Jesus sent the message of the Kingdom to the gentiles upon His resurrection.

This could also mean either way. Even Paul said just because you were born a Jew does not make you a true Jew. A true Jew is one that is circumcised of the heart and not of the flesh. Gentile Christians have been circumcised of the heart are just as much a true Jew as an Israeli Christian.

The churches that are addressed are Smyrna and Philedelphia. It is not at all likely that many, if any, Jews were among them. Please look at their history for further reference. Among the Christians there, there were apparently "some" claiming to be "Jews" (spiritual Jews?) who were actually of the Synagogue of Satan.

God does not have two bodies: one for Jewish believers and one for Gentiles believers. We are made one in Christ. We are of one body and one Spirit and one God. God does not see you as Jew or Gentile but as the Children of God.

You are absolutely correct, and we have no dispute over this. The only difference between Jew and Gentile is the fact that the Gentiles are entering the Kingdom of God BEFORE the Jews. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shammah,

A true son of God of the flesh ( a Jew) under the old covenant, was not so much circumcision of the flesh but the heart, these that were not circumsized of the heart, but only of the flesh, were not true Jews but of the synagod of Satan.

The Gentiles were not handed over the Kingdom,but only allowed into it, that since Some natural branches were broken off, that they the un-natural branches may be grafted into the root and heritage, and of the Promise given to Abraham, and all those by faith, including Christs own People! Take away the people who believed from the old covenant, (you create a differant covenant) But not the New covenant, which was the everlasting covenant promised to His people, all that believe, not just gentiles.

You fail to directly address:

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

If you think that Christ turned His back on His own people, becuase the Jewish leaders crucified Him, that is really obserd!

I have never once said that, in fact:

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Please let those who can see and hear, let them do so! Let someone else answer, you give nothing new. Like I said I used to believe as you, and I know why you believe that way, some things can only be seen by revelation, and I no longer want to convince you, and never really did. You can keep believing what you do, you are still saved, but I know some things from the Lord, and I wish to share them.

You have drifted from the "truth", and your last words indicate your true agenda. You supposedly have received -some- spiritual insights nobody else has and YOU WISH TO SHARE them. Perhaps others may see through this thinly veiled agenda as I have.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[shammah]

People get gifts , all people dont have the same gifts, this is not thinly veiled anything, but sharing spiritual gifts to the body as directed from God. If we all had the same gifts, and ministries, there would be no need for the body to come together! Why do you always accuse and try to stir up trouble!

I keep telling you that the nation the kingdom was taken from was the leadership of the natural state of Israel, and its old covenant; and it was given to what the new covenant speaks of as a (spiritual people), and a heavenly country, Gods Inheritance by faith , first the Jew by faith , then the gentile! The fruits are spiritual fruits, because God has given us His Holy Spirit by which to bring forth the only fruits God is interrested in! The children of Abraham all the way to John the Baptist, are the root and natural branches of the tree, just as Jesus was of the root and ofspring of David!

But you wont let it alone, you wont see or hear or understand, yet you insult, and think you see and know all! But by your fruit you show that you lack love and humility. The spiritual Nation the kingdom has been given to, is bringing forth fruits; look up the fruits in Cor.13; are you doing it? Ever since I've been here you've shown NO Love, but only cause trouble?

But I must Love you anyway; Shammah-2

[Guest yod]

I think you are all correct on at least one level of interpretation....

There are 4

http://www.yashanet.com/studies/revstudy/pardes.htm

[shammah]

Check out the new post Olive Tree, and the Jew.

I was praying about more info. on this subject, and the first thing that came up on the screen when doing the search, came this info.

I believe that the Lord answered my prayers with this confirmation, and hopefully it will give peace, and resolution to both sides.

Also, I checked out the Theological word book of the Old Testiment, and neither the Olive, or the Fig tree represented Israel in the old writings, but they are as parables. The Fig representing the Old Covenant of the flesh, and the Olive root, tree, and branches being natural, representing the new spiritual covenant, the root, tree, and branches representing Abraham's natural seed, and grafted in branches, representing wild or Gentile seed.

In all, representing the Kingom of "God", and rightfully so, spiritually speaking, The Israel of God.

Shalom, and Love in Yah Shua, shammah