Does a Good God Exist?

[doubting_tommy]

And their proof for that is where?

The proof is twofold- firstly there is the fact that you cannot articulate non-temporal causation- it

[doubting_tommy]

The reason they all claim that what came before the Big Bang is "meaningless," is because they know that saying "nothing created everything" is intellectually embarrassing - so they just avoid it.

No, you

[doubting_tommy]

The laws of science state for something to be proven, it must be observed and replicated. The Big Bang and life creating itself from dead matter fall outside of those rules. Looks like it's all supernaturalism on your side.

That

[doubting_tommy]

For once, I'd sure like to see even a little shred of proof for what you keep claiming. Somehow, I don't think I'm gonna get it.

I gave you an example above- the role of gravity in the early universe was, as far as we know, quite different to the role it plays today.

Once again, we are back to my giant bowl of chilli.

Both the bowl of chilli possibility and the God possibility are more or less on the same ontological/epistemological footing. An explanation which does not invoke supernatural entities (chilli-based or otherwise) is preferable to one which requires us to make additional radical assumptions to our ontological picture of the universe.

Why do you think that the God possibility is somehow better than the possibility that non-standard causation, or Krauss

[doubting_tommy]

That isn't nothing creating something all by itself. Prove that, or infinite regress.

You asked for evidence that the universe may not have always behaved in the same way that it does now. The role of gravity in the early universe is evidence for this.

As for an infinite regress, it

[Guest]

Do you honestly believe your opinions are going to save you when you have to recount them to your Creator? If so, it's arrogance to the nth degree....

I think it would depend on the nature of my judge. It could be the case that God decides to forgive me for not believing in Him, or it could be the case that God praises me for my honesty and integrity in sticking to what my reason tells me even in the face of eternal damnation, or it could be that God is evil and wants me to suffer regardless of what I do, or it could be that God will correspond to the concept of God you believe in. I honestly don't know, if God exists, whether He will resemble any of the above possibilities or whether He will have some other disposition entirely.

I happen to think it's arrogant to claim to know the mind of God, but that's just my opinion. If God does exist, I think it's unlikely that humans have managed to discover His true nature.

Dear One Honestly

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; Deuteronomy 11:26 (King James Version)

Arrogance Aside

Because punishment for an evil work comes not quickly, the minds of the sons of men are fully given to doing evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11 (Bible in Basic English)

The Very Same Book

I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices. I want you to know me more than I want burnt offerings. Hosea 6:6 (New Living Translation)

Which Shows You The Mind Of God

A person who isn't spiritual doesn't accept the teachings of God's Spirit. He thinks they're nonsense. He can't understand them because a person must be spiritual to evaluate them. Spiritual people evaluate everything but are subject to no one's evaluation. "Who has known the mind of the Lord so that he can teach him?" However, we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (GOD'S WORD Translation)

Is The Very Same Book Which Will Rightly And Justly Condemn You

If anyone listens to my sayings, and doesn't believe, I don't judge him. For I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He who rejects me, and doesn't receive my sayings, has one who judges him. The word that I spoke, the same will judge him in the last day. John 12:47-48 (World English Bible)

For The Trampling Under Foot The Gift Of God

He that despised Moses' law, died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much more severe punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, by which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite to the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29 (Webster's Bible Translation)

In The Last Day

Don't be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God's Son, and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment. John 5:28-29 (New Living Translation)

You See

He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him. John 3:36 (American King James Version)

Believe And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[Guest]

For once, I'd sure like to see even a little shred of proof for what you keep claiming. Somehow, I don't think I'm gonna get it....

I gave you an example above- the role of gravity in the early universe was, as far as we know, quite different to the role it plays today....

No Mass

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:1-5

No Gravity

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. Genesis 1:14-19

No Will To Believe

Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:16-17

No Salvation

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

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Believe

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe