Matthitjah Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 4, 2011 Quote WorldMag.com; She told us so Written by Cal ThomasDecember 30, 10:11 AM Sarah Palin deserves an apology. When she said that the new healthcare law would lead to "death panels" deciding who gets life-saving treatment and who does not, she was roundly denounced and ridiculed. Now we learn, courtesy of one of the ridiculersThe New York Timesthat she was right. Under a new policy not included in the law for fear the administration's real end-of-life game would be exposed, a rule issued by the recess-appointed Dr. Donald M. Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, calls for the government to pay doctors to advise patients on options for ending their lives. These could include directives to forgo aggressive treatment that could extend their lives. This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is "fit" to live and who is not. The effect this might have on public opinion, which by a solid majority opposes Obamacare, is clear from an email obtained by the Times. It is from Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who sent it to people working with him on the issue. Oregon and Washington are the only states with assisted-suicide laws, a preview of what is to come at the federal level if this new regulation is allowed to stand. Blumenauer wrote in his November email: "While we are very happy with the result, we won't be shouting it from the rooftops because we aren't out of the woods yet. This regulation could be modified or reversed, especially if Republican leaders try to use this small provision to perpetuate the 'death panel' myth." Ah, but it's not a myth, and that's where Palin nailed it. All inhumanities begin with small steps; otherwise the public might rebel against a policy that went straight to the "final solution." All human life was once regarded as having value, because even government saw it as "endowed by our Creator." This doctrine separates us from plants, microorganisms, and animals. Doctors once swore an oath, which reads in part: "I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion." Did Dr. Berwick, a fan of rationed care and the British National Health Service, ever take that oath? If he did, it appears he no longer believes it. Do you see where this leads? First the prohibition against abortion is removed and "doctors" now perform them. Then the assault on the infirm and elderly begins. Once the definition of human life changes, all human lives become potentially expendable if they don't measure up to constantly "evolving" government standards. It will all be dressed up with the best possible motives behind it and sold to the public as the ultimate benefit. The killings, uh, terminations, will take place out of sight so as not to disturb the masses who might have a few embers of a past morality still burning in their souls. People will sign documents testifying to their desire to die, and the government will see it as a means of "reducing the surplus population," to quote Charles Dickens. When life is seen as having ultimate value, individuals and their doctors can make decisions about treatment that are in the best interests of patients. But when government is looking to cut costs as the highest good and offers to pay doctors to tell patients during their annual visits that they can choose to end their lives rather than continue treatment, that is more than the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. That is the next step on the way to physician-assisted suicide and, if not stopped, government-mandated euthanasia. It can't happen here? Based on what standard? Yes it can happen in America, and it will if the new Congress doesn't stop it. http://online.worldm...she-told-us-so/ It's what I've been saying, "A culture of death." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 4, 2011 This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is "fit" to live and who is not That is pure conjucture on his part. While it is remotely possible, there would have to be changes that could easily be stopped if it heads off in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is "fit" to live and who is not That is pure conjucture on his part. While it is remotely possible, there would have to be changes that could easily be stopped if it heads off in that direction. Yes, but we all know the human heart and how it is deceptively wicked and tends towards death instead of life. That was the warning of Dickens encapsulated above and we know that the systems of Socialiized Health Care in Canada and Great Britain among others have all gone this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 4, 2011 A Christian singer back in the 80's wrote a song which had this line in a verse about abortion: Now a grave-digger Next you pull the trigger What then? "Whatever happened to sin?" by Steve Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraught Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,741 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 28 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/30/1959 Share Posted January 4, 2011 This rule will inevitably lead to bureaucrats deciding who is "fit" to live and who is not That is pure conjucture on his part. While it is remotely possible, there would have to be changes that could easily be stopped if it heads off in that direction. Yes, but we all know the human heart and how it is deceptively wicked and tends towards death instead of life. That was the warning of Dickens encapsulated above and we know that the systems of Socialiized Health Care in Canada and Great Britain among others have all gone this way. Conjecture? Or Informed Opinion? Even I can look around and see that this is the path of logic and it no problem at alll for me to imagine exactly how it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 4, 2011 People, end of life counseling was started in 2003 by a Republican congress and George Bush. It was part of the Medicare Prescription bill. It is/was set up for terminal patients to have their doctors and/or hospice people to discuss the legal matters that all people need to discuss. All this does is extend it to all people on Medicare and not wait until you"re on your death bed to make some of these decisions, which is a very prudent thing to do. So if this is such a draconian thing to do then George Bush and the Republicans are worse than Progressives, for they thought this whole thing up and put it into law first...... I've posted articles in the past with links to the bill itself....... you're all getting caught up in the politics of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 4, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 4, 2011 There are people within the global political and financial power structures that want to drastically reduce the population of planet earth....... when they decide to accomplish this I can assure you that they will not be asking you to kill yourself. Already the VA and Medicare have limits on the expensive drugs and procedures, and it's not up to us to decide, they just don't pay for them..... and it's not something for the furure, it's happening now. In some states medicade will not pay for expensive proceedures that do not give the patient a set percentage chance ot extending one's life..... In oregan, there are cancer treatments that only give a person a five to ten percent chance of extending life six weeks to six months that they don't pay for. We already have death pannels if one uses you all's defination of death pannel, and have had for years. The VA stopped furnishing me with Advair several years ago becuase of the expense, but it's the only thing I've found that keeps me breathing right...... but that happened under George Bush the great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted January 5, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,127 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,855 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 5, 2011 you guys are hopeless....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 you guys are hopeless....... America lost all "hope" in Nov 2008 I'm surprised you don't see where this is headed, Sam. More factors than health will go into these decisions when it becomes politically expedient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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