Unleavened bread

[wordsower]

I'll tell you why I think He is like the bread, and move it to the communion thread at Munari's request.....

[For Him Alone]

I'm still wondering why my church uses loaves of fresh baked crusty Harris Teeter bread, which is obviously leavened, if we are specifically ordered to use unleavened bread. But I will ask my pastor at communion tomorrow night!

[Guest Xan]

The other examples, it is easy to see how Christ is like a vine, how he is like a door (those are the only two I can come up with off the top of my head), but HOW is he like bread?

Munari, He is like unleavened bread- without sin.

[traveller]

The other examples, it is easy to see how Christ is like a vine, how he is like a door (those are the only two I can come up with off the top of my head), but HOW is he like bread?

He is our food, is He not? The Word feeds our spirit and He is the living Word. He is the real and true bread of life.  

[Guest Xan]

Traveller, that's a better answer than I gave, and it reminds me of a verse I gave to Munari on this one: "No one lives by bread alone, but by by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of G-d."  G-d has always compared His Word to bread because bread is used symbolically through out the entire Bible as sustinance.  There is no greater sustinance than the spiritual one He gives us.  In the previous chapter (John 5), He speaks to the Samaritan woman about never thirsting again because He offers Living Water.  It's the same thing.

[traveller]

Total agreement Xan

[Guest racer]

munari,

I'll post this here and on the communion thread.  Answer either post.

You said:  

That's a pretty wild hypothetical there, but I would say no, the arsenic would not change because arsenic is not bread. Only the bread changes. If the church was using unleavened raisin nut bread, the raisins and the nuts would not change into Christ's flesh, it is not of the proper "matter".

From the Council of Trent:  

Since Christ our Redeemer said that that which he offered under the appearance of bread was truly his body, it has therefore always been held in the Church of God, and this holy synod now declares anew, that through consecration of the bread and wine there comes about a conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and the whole of the wine into the substance of his blood.  And this conversion is b the Holy Catholic church conveniently and properly called transubstantiation. (session 13, "Decrees Concerning the Most Holy Sacrament f the Eucharist", chapter4)

So, according to the Council of Trent, the whole substance of the bread in turned into the body of Christ.  So, irregardless of the contents of the bread, as long as it is unleavened it should change, arsenic and all.  You said yourself, that specific directions as to the make up of the unleavened bread were not given.  Unleavened bread is unleavened bread. :thumb:

[munari]

The person who told me that only the bread and nothing else in it is transformed is a friend of mine who is in the seminary to become a priest. Whether or not he was accurate, I don't know, but I think its pretty safe to say that Trent didn't think people would be putting arsenic or nuts or raisin in their breads for the Eucharist. I still think it means JUST the bread and nothing else that is ADDED TO the bread.

[Guest Xan]

I don't know, but I think its pretty safe to say that Trent didn't think people would be putting arsenic or nuts or raisin in their breads for the Eucharist.

Are you sure, Munari?  There might be a conspiracy to kill off Catholics.

BTW, tell your friend who is going into the priesthood the joke about the monks who discovered the translation error about celebration. :thumb:

[munari]

I'll have to do that