Can you loose your salvation once you are given it? Can you surrender

[luke22ministries]

Folks....I cant stand to see this! Not at all. We are all believers. We come and we post for the fellowship of the believers and for the edification of non believers. If I am a non believer and I read people "going at each other" on a Christian forum, I think to myself "Is this what being a Christian is?". Remember, how Christ said the world could identify his followers. "How they love ONE TO ANOTHER". Let us have open conversation and pray for an open heart and ears to hear.

You edited your post. What happened to the "I don't care"? Too harsh?

No, it wasn't too harsh, because I don't care that you were talking to Fez. It would not make any difference who you were talking to. You were wrong in your assessment and that is why I responded. I edited my post to give it more substance.

You have such a distorted sense of reality.

No, I don't. Nothing you were saying to Fez was fair or true. The narrative as I presented it is there for anyone to see.

Why don't you try letting people speak for themselves?

I am not speaking for Fez. He is capable and has spoken for himself. Even when he does you pile on the false accusations. I am affirming what Fez said in the spirit and intent that he presented his claim. YOU have tried at least twice to misrepresent his remarks to be something they are not and twice it has been demonstrated to you that your assessment was wrong and still you persist trying to protect your wounded pride.

You're creating problems where there were none. You're an instigator. Plain and simple.

The problem was already there. You don't think making false accusations about Fez is a problem? Or is it only a problem when your claims are demonstrated to be false?

You're not happy unless you're belittling someone.

I am not belittling anyone. I am pointing to your unfair and dishonest treatment of Fez. YOU were making false accusations about Fez. You simply don't possess the integrity to admit that you read Fez wrong.

And just so you know, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I've talked with others on this site who've said the same thing. You need to lighten up.

I don't really care who you have talked to. I have crossed the line; I readily admit that, but that does not sanitize your dishonest handling of Fez's comments.

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You have demonstrated that you can't follow the natural flow of a conversation and are too quick to assume the worst about Fez, so I will stay here and correct your false claims about him until they cease, or until you apologise to Fez for projecting motives into his arguments that were not true.

So pious. Quite the little guardian you are.

I don't abandon my friends. I certainly am not going to abandon them to false, and unfair criticism, from other spiteful and dishonest posters over something those posters are either unable to understand, or are simply too wicked to want to.

[Guest man]

You edited your post. What happened to the "I don't care"? Too harsh?

No, it wasn't too harsh, because I don't care that you were talking to Fez. It would not make any difference who you were talking to. You were wrong in your assessment and that is why I responded. I edited my post to give it more substance.

You have such a distorted sense of reality.

No, I don't. Nothing you were saying to Fez was fair or true. The narrative as I presented it is there for anyone to see.

Why don't you try letting people speak for themselves?

I am not speaking for Fez. He is capable and has spoken for himself. Even when he does you pile on the false accusations. I am affirming what Fez said in the spirit and intent that he presented his claim. YOU have tried at least twice to misrepresent his remarks to be something they are not and twice it has been demonstrated to you that your assessment was wrong and still you persist trying to protect your wounded pride.

You're creating problems where there were none. You're an instigator. Plain and simple.

The problem was already there. You don't think making false accusations about Fez is a problem? Or is it only a problem when your claims are demonstrated to be false?

You're not happy unless you're belittling someone.

I am not belittling anyone. I am pointing to your unfair and dishonest treatment of Fez. YOU were making false accusations about Fez. You simply don't possess the integrity to admit that you read Fez wrong.

And just so you know, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I've talked with others on this site who've said the same thing. You need to lighten up.

I don't really care who you have talked to. I have crossed the line; I readily admit that, but that does not sanitize your dishonest handling of Fez's comments.

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You have demonstrated that you can't follow the natural flow of a conversation and are too quick to assume the worst about Fez, so I will stay here and correct your false claims about him until they cease, or until you apologise to Fez for projecting motives into his arguments that were not true.

So pious. Quite the little guardian you are.

I don't abandon my friends. I certainly am not going to abandon them to false, and unfair criticism, from other spiteful and dishonest posters over something those posters are either unable to understand, or are simply too wicked to want to.

The fact that you're still babbling on about these accusations I supposedly made, tells me you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about or what the issue was to begin with.

Why don't you give people a chance to speak for themselves before you jump in and start condemning. You're just rude and yeah, I know you don't care. As long as you can talk down to someone your day is made, I get it.

What a way to go through life.

[Guest man]

Folks....I cant stand to see this! Not at all.

Yeah, it is kinda sad isn't it.

[Guest shiloh357]

The fact that you're still babbling on about these accusations I supposedly made, tells me you haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about or what the issue was to begin with.

Sorry, but the text is right in front of me. I know exactly what i am talking about and I know exactly what the issue was and it was you who started making the false accusations.

Why don't you give people a chance to speak for themselves before you jump in and start condemning.

Fez DID speak for himself and you still continued to condemn HIM. You are the one bringing on the condemnation and trying to tie him to atheists and Karma. YOU are the one making the condemning remarks that you can't defend. You have been refuted by both Fez AND me. You're problem is that you can't bring yourself to admit that you got both points wrong and so your only recourse is to make yourself look like the victim, when it is Fez who is the victim of your pathetic, false accusations.

You're just rude

No, I am simply direct, straightforward and am able to express a level of honesty that you are unwilling and able to face up to.

and yeah, I know you don't care. As long as you can talk down to someone your day is made, I get it.

You are not a victim and I have not mistreated you. You simply cannot answer my correction of your false accusations and so you are defending wounded pride by attacking me for having the temerity to challenge you.

[Smalcald]

I like the phrase "we are punished by our sins not for them" because it gets at an important point.

Sin for a believer is a punishment; we are doing what we do not desire to do. In addition there are certainly the temporal consequences of sins.

But if you like to sin, you won't like heaven you will prefer hell as hell is where sin reins. Sin is death it cannot bring happiness nor peace nor love. So those in hell could not stand heaven, they would hate it, imagine being around perfect goodness when you are filled with hate or lust. Heaven would be boring it would be horrible for someone in hell, people sold unto this nature are blinded they cannot see heaven or Christ as scripture points out.

[oak]

Shiloh, Eternal Security is not rocket science. It

[Guest]

Before One Lets Loose His Broadside, He Might Consider Surrendering To A Little Fun

To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. Titus 3:2

And Try Changing The "You" In The Post To "I"

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 2 Timothy 2:24

And Read It Very Loud So As To Hear It With The Brother's Ears

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:19

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Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:6-7

Be Blessed Beloved Of The King

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

A friend loveth at all times, and a brother is born for adversity. Proverbs 17:17

[~candice~]

Timely advice Joe .

[Botz]

"T't'that's all folks!"

Here is the abuse of the ToS, just in case any participating in the slanging match have somehow forgotten:-

Abuse of other posters is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, name calling, insulting, harassing, threatening or in any way invading the privacy of another poster. We also strongly discourage giving out personal information such as email addresses, physical addresses and phone numbers on the public boards. Any information given out in private is at your own discretion and risk. (Eph. 4: 29)

Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18)

To those involved....If you were speaking face to face with each other it would not matter, you could be up front, down the line and insult and accuse to your hearts content and mix it all with a huge dose of sanctimonious self-justification...the fact is that other people are reading these threads and when we all joined Worthy, it was on the understanding that we understood and agreed to the rules and would abide by them...this commitment that you voluntarily bound yourselves to is being dishonoured and is wrong.

I don't personally think non-Christians will be too surprised to see we have moments like this...we are all adults and we are not perfect by any means...but that is not the point....try considering the ToS of the New Covenant as well.

Anyway 'nuff said guys, please learn and change a few attitudes...it is a pain going over the same ground again and again.

Thread closed.....but don't let that stop you from swallowing some pride and pm'ing any apologies you deem fit.