Democrat: We Need 'Analysis of How Christian Militants -- Might Br

[pamiam]

Google this woman and see if you think she has anything to say worthy of much effort analyzing. Mental midget, uh-huh. Question is who in the world elected her and why would anyone vote for her again? She and Rosie O'Donnell and Joy Behar seem to know nothing about either Islam or Christianity to draw any coherent parallel between the two ideologies. She is an embarassment.

[oldzimm]

Christian Militants bring down the country????????? Somebody should tell Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee that unfortunately the government is doing a good job bringing down the country without anybodies help.

[nebula]

There are Christian politicians in America who call for their states to leave the U.S. if Obama stays in power. One of which is Rick Perry who some here at Worthy have even shown support fo as President (ironic). These people are not necessarily militants, but the last time states left it caused a civil war and many were charged and executed for treason.

This isn't the 1800's. You can't expect the same methods and outcomes.

[Guest shiloh357]

There are Christian politicians in America who call for their states to leave the U.S. if Obama stays in power. One of which is Rick Perry who some here at Worthy have even shown support fo as President (ironic). These people are not necessarily militants, but the last time states left it caused a civil war and many were charged and executed for treason.

That is not accurate. Perry was talking to reporters and what he actually said was that Texans might get so fed up how the country is being run, they would want to secede from the union. He was not calling for TX to secede. He also said that he saw no reason for TX to do that.

[SavedByGrace1980]

Google this woman and see if you think she has anything to say worthy of much effort analyzing. Mental midget, uh-huh. Question is who in the world elected her and why would anyone vote for her again? She and Rosie O'Donnell and Joy Behar seem to know nothing about either Islam or Christianity to draw any coherent parallel between the two ideologies. She is an embarassment.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of Ms. Jackson-Lee.

However, since she (I assume) meets the qualifications to hold her office:

(1) must be at least 25 years of age,

(2) must have been a citizen of the United States for at least seven years, and

(3) must be an inhabitant of the State from which he or she is elected.

I guess it's up to her constituents to hire or fire her.

(I live in NY. Given our recent history in sending people to Congress I can't say our electorate is any smarter than any other) :o

Blessings!

-Ed

[SavedByGrace1980]

There are Christian politicians in America who call for their states to leave the U.S. if Obama stays in power. One of which is Rick Perry who some here at Worthy have even shown support fo as President (ironic). These people are not necessarily militants, but the last time states left it caused a civil war and many were charged and executed for treason.

That is not accurate. Perry was talking to reporters and what he actually said was that Texans might get so fed up how the country is being run, they would want to secede from the union. He was not calling for TX to secede. He also said that he saw no reason for TX to do that.

Not to get too far off the topic, and Rick Perry notwithstanding, but I'd like to get a response to the following quotation:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is

wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts

they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,

it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not

warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of

resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as

to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost

in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from

time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure."

That quotation (for those who may not know) is from Thomas Jefferson.

Thoughts?

Blessings!

-Ed

[winsomebulldog]

So I

[winsomebulldog]

There are Christian politicians in America who call for their states to leave the U.S. if Obama stays in power. One of which is Rick Perry who some here at Worthy have even shown support fo as President (ironic). These people are not necessarily militants, but the last time states left it caused a civil war and many were charged and executed for treason.

That is not accurate. Perry was talking to reporters and what he actually said was that Texans might get so fed up how the country is being run, they would want to secede from the union. He was not calling for TX to secede. He also said that he saw no reason for TX to do that.

Not to get too far off the topic, and Rick Perry notwithstanding, but I'd like to get a response to the following quotation:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is

wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts

they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,

it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not

warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of

resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as

to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost

in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from

time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure."

That quotation (for those who may not know) is from Thomas Jefferson.

Thoughts?

Blessings!

-Ed

Well, much as I respect Jefferson, I have to beg to differ with his statement I highlighted above. In his day, it was undoubtedly true. I don't really think it is today. With the internet, which I know still isn't necessarily available in every corner of the nation, we now have access to whatever information we want or need. Even in places where the internet is still limited in availability, it is available, even if only at public libraries or the like. The problem is we are much too lazy to bother to go hunt up the truth and to make ourselves "well informed." We rely on popular media to give us whatever version of the truth we want to believe. Or worse, we rely on actors or singers or comedians to tell us what we ought to believe.

[nebula]

I think you've nailed it on the head, here. There are certainly a number of so-called Christian militia groups out there who have some screwy ideas. Just look at Timothy McVeigh.

Err...did Timothy VcVeigh ever claim Christianity?

[winsomebulldog]

I think you've nailed it on the head, here. There are certainly a number of so-called Christian militia groups out there who have some screwy ideas. Just look at Timothy McVeigh.

Err...did Timothy VcVeigh ever claim Christianity?

That wasn't really the point I was making, but he did in fact claim a belief in God. As to whether or not he actually considered himself a Christian, I don't really know. I did find this small excerpt from an interview he did with Time magazine.

Time: Are you religious?

McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

Time: Do you believe in God?

McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

In a nut shell, whatever beliefs he held or did not hold (before his death he actually claimed to be an agnostic, stated he did not believe in hell, and that science was his religion ) it remains that he was greatly influenced by propaganda from radical Christian militia sources. The point I was making was that a) neither McVeigh's or the nutzoid groups out there calling themselves Christians are in actuality followers of Christ, but have merely a "form" of Christianity and b) they do not have the overwhelming support and backing of mainstream Christians. I can't imagine any of us here at Worthy, or any true Christian rejoicing over something like the Oklahoma City Bombing or, to put it in better context, the countless instances where people have been killed by car bombs or other IEDs in the Muslim nations. We, or at least I, find any terrorist attack horrific. The recent celebrations here over the death of Bin Laden are a good example. They happened and were quite widespread. But were they right? Were they something we should be proud of? Of course not.

The point here is that when 9/11 happened a disturbing number of Muslims, even those who were supposedly not part of the radical element, either openly celebrated or backhandedly said it was our own fault and we'd gotten what we deserved. The amount of popular support that right wing "Christian" extremists in this country receive is in no way comparable to the support that radical Islam receives. Therefore, saying that "Christian" extremists are as much a threat to this country as radical Islamic extremists is untrue.