Atheism vs Antitheism

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

[Let us take shiloh357's quote: "The rules you always tend make up whenever you need to manipulate the English language after your points have been successfully refuted and you cannot muster up the courage, integrity or the manhood to admit your mistakes."

From that, I understand the following:

1) He claims that I have made up rules

2) He claims that I manipulate the English language

3) He claims my points have been successfully refuted

4) He claims I cannot muster up courage

5) He claims I cannot muster up integrity

6) He claims I cannot muster up the manhood to admit my alleged mistakes

Have I got my understanding correct?

Shiloh, you'd better slap a question mark after your statement - that'll abdicate you of any responsibilities of having made any assertions.

[Isaiah 6:8]

I find it interesting that since Christ's crucifixion the world seems to have realized this. Animal sacrifices have largely stopped, when it used to be practiced by pretty much every culture.

It does not look like your claim has any basis. I did not have much time to go back through the 2000 years, so I stopped at 2009 AD (two years ago) and 20 seconds google:). That does not look like it largely stopped at all LOL

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/hindu-sacrifice-gadhimai-festival-nepal

Ciao

- viole

He said largely not completely.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Am I? That is certainly news to me.

You are.

1) I do not like or dislike any message of the cross. . '

Do you really understand the one message of the the cross. It is the crux of everything we believe

2) I am perfectly comfortable about the status of my destiny, and the relative level of control I have over it.

That is my point you want control and yo do not want to lose that

3)I am not here to convince anyone of anything.:-)

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

Then why are you here?

I did not respond to the rest as you are just playing word games.

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Dear Joe,

You are very welcome.

BTW, it takes no bravery to share with those who love me.

It take bravery to share with those who don't love me, as apparent from their behavior.

Ah!

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. Deuteronomy 32:39-40

Beloved, Jesus Shed His Holy Blood

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

So He Can Clean You Up

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

Should You Desire

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:15

Fellowship

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

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Love, Joe

I do not want anyone to shed any blood to clean me up. The idea grosses me out. It reminds me of the animal sacrifices of certain religions.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

Yes~!

And You Are Not The Only One

For Most Of Mankind, Religious Or Not Agree With You

And Yet This Prideful Sin Stinks Up The Earth And Rises To The High Heavens

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

But The Lord Jesus

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

The Christ

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Revelation 12:10-11

Saves

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

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Believe

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

And Be Blessed Beloved

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Love, Joe

[UndecidedFrog]

You're worried Jesus' blood, spilled two thousand years ago, is going to gross you out?

Hi OES,

No, I am not worried about blood being spilt 2000 years ago. What would gross me out is if anyone spilt any blood in front of me.

You do understand that we don't wash in His physical blood, right? Your squeamishness is notably disproportionate considering the spiritualized nature of the blood in question.

No, I have no idea what you mean by spiritualized nature of blood. I have seen blood before. There is nothing spiritual about its nature.

And it's supposed to remind you of those animal sacrifices, because the punishment for sin is death, which is the spilling of blood because the life is in the blood. Hebrews talks about Jesus' sacrifice was the end to all sacrifices. What He did is the reason such gross things that can't possibly atone for sin are done away with.

I think animal sacrifices are barbaric. What was Jesus' sacrifice? How can a god die? I think immortality is one of the characteristic definitions of what it means to be a god. If a god cannot die, then what exactly was sacrificed?

I find it interesting that since Christ's crucifixion the world seems to have realized this. Animal sacrifices have largely stopped, when it used to be practiced by pretty much every culture.

Animal sacrifices are still practiced in Santaria, and some pagan religions.

But if the consequences of sin are death, and the gift of God is eternal life through the vicarious death of His Son on the cross where He spilled His blood for you, I'm not overly sympathetic to your position of rejecting the gift over hyper-squeamishness.

You don't have to be sympathetic to my squeamishness over spilling blood. Just as I don't have to accept the notion of vicarious redemption. Isn't that just another way of describing scapegoating?

If I died for someone and they complained that I couldn't help that in saving them they were spashed with some of my blood, I’d be unimpressed with the ingratitude.

Oh, in that case, then please feel free to not die for them.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

Edited November 26, 2011 by UndecidedFrog

[UndecidedFrog]

Do you really understand the one message of the the cross. It is the crux of everything we believe

Yes, I really understand the message of the cross, and how you believe it to be the crux of everything you believe.

Then why are you here?

LOL, allow me to quote a worthy forum moderator on your question:

For added consideration....

7. Constantly demanding to know from Unbelievers about their intent at being here is also not a very friendly approach...those that have obviously come here to mock and play games do not stay for long anyway, and those that stay happily distance themselves from these fellow Unbelievers. We should recognise this and learn to differentiate.

If you believe I am here to mock and play games, you can lobby to have me banned.

I did not respond to the rest as you are just playing word games.

You don't have to respond to anything you do not feel comfortable discussing.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[Isaiah 6:8]

LOL, allow me to quote a worthy forum moderator on your question:

For added consideration....

7. Constantly demanding to know from Unbelievers about their intent at being here is also not a very friendly approach...those that have obviously come here to mock and play games do not stay for long anyway, and those that stay happily distance themselves from these fellow Unbelievers. We should recognise this and learn to differentiate.

If you believe I am here to mock and play games, you can lobby to have me banned.

since this thread is about anti theism and why you seem to not just not believe in god but to be openly against the idea it is a pertaint question as if you are only an atheist then you would. Not struggle so hard to disprove god. So I asked why you were hereto see if you were a true atheist or an anti theist.I ask the question and press it as it is rellivent to the thread and I press it because your refuse to answer.this proves to me you are an anti theist .

You don't have to respond to anything you do not feel comfortable discussing.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

I simply will not answer questions that have already been answered before.or where you twist the meaning of words even your own.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Also do not try to pit me against another mod.

[nebula]

You're worried Jesus' blood, spilled two thousand years ago, is going to gross you out?

Hi OES,

No, I am not worried about blood being spilt 2000 years ago. What would gross me out is if anyone spilt any blood in front of me.

Are you intentionally twisting the meaning of this expression (spilling blood), or do you honestly not understand what it means in context?

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.... You fail to see any arrogance or belittling in the quote above? I think I am beginning to understand you now. Thanks for answering my question. I had hope that you would be fair, but I see I am mistaken....

Dear One Oh Yes! You Are Mistaken. For In All Fairness

We Love You And Wish You The Very Best

We Grieve You Your Loss Of Faith

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Be Blessed Beloved

Be Blessed

The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Psalm 34:18

O God, please be with those whose lives are difficult and filled with pain and sadness. Please minister in personal and mighty ways to every believer with a crushed spirit. Dear Father, please rekindle the hope of every discouraged Christian. Empower them as they hold on to their faith. Pour out your Spirit with power, strengthening each weary and burdened heart. Help each one of your children hold onto his or her faith, finding a renewed sense of hope in your presence. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

From HEARTLIGHT, November 26, 2011 http://www.heartlight.org/cgi-shl/todaysverse.cgi?day=20111126&ver=kjv

Love, Joe