Guest shiloh357 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Tell me this... The omniscience of God. Do you think it means that God has all possible knowledge (which would include all propositional and all experiential knowledge)? Or would it include only propositional knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Simple answer. God knows everything, no matter how we want to categorize it. There is nothing that exists that He did not create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterH Posted July 26, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2011 God knows all the " If's " as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Simple answer. God knows everything, no matter how we want to categorize it. There is nothing that exists that He did not create. Do you think God possesses all possible experiential knowledge? Do you know what I mean when I use the term, "propositional knowledge" and how it differs from experiential knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Simple answer. God knows everything, no matter how we want to categorize it. There is nothing that exists that He did not create. Do you think God possesses all possible experiential knowledge? Do you know what I mean when I use the term, "propositional knowledge" and how it differs from experiential knowledge? Do you think that you can have a thought that God hasn't had way before you existed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 I don't think there really are "what if's" to God. Since He knows what WILL happen, there is no such thing to Him as "what might have happened" or "what John would have done if ... " IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Simple answer. God knows everything, no matter how we want to categorize it. There is nothing that exists that He did not create. Do you think God possesses all possible experiential knowledge? Do you know what I mean when I use the term, "propositional knowledge" and how it differs from experiential knowledge? Do you think that you can have a thought that God hasn't had way before you existed? No, but that doesn't really answer the question. What I am asking is whether or not anyone thinks that omniscience must include experiential knowledge, or if it only applies to propositional knowledge (the knowledge of what is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 503 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 31 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Well, first I have whole post about treating the Bible that includes God in a reverential manner. In essence not using knowledge to come forth with new doctrines based on knowing of language or taking an 11th grade science or philosophy course. No irreverence is shown as of yet and the subject matter is in the grey area so I will answer. You took a question that is usually posed to man, a believer. A Christian can have subjective* propositional knowledge based on the Bible but as far as far as experiential knowledge, a non-believer will say, “you have not met or spoken with God?” “Have you believed because you have seen me? “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed,” John 21:29. As far as your direct question, Bless and praise Christ in the strongest of faith and reverence. He condescended to have experiential knowledge of humans by becoming a human, and not with prestige and earthly honors. And, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow, to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” Rom 14:11 None will dare say to God, you don’t know what it’s like to be human. Oak * correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,171 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,900 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 shiloh, if as I believe God is not bound by space and time and can simply look to see what will be in the future, i don't think i can separate experiential knowledge from priori Knoledge, or propositional knowledge whatever we want to call it. i don't think I would know how to separate the two with Gods capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted July 27, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.89 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2011 Maybe I should not be so quick to answer: Mar 4:10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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