Smply put What is truth?

[asimpleman]

Questions lead to God and God leads to ask more questions in order for us to become more intimate with Him.

Is God ALL TRUTH ?

What I am asking more directly is can there ever be more than a single truth about any one thing?

I understand that we can apply a single truth to many different things, but can there be more than one truth about any one thing.?

What would exist if nothing else existed?

If we say say emptyness or empty space, that would still be something.

Even if we were to make a claim of any kind how would we know if it were a true statement?

The answer is even if nothing (even the emptyness of space) there would still be one thing that exist and that one thing would always be TRUTH.

Iether a thing is true or it is false. So something must have always existed and that one thing is TRUTH.

Truth is not a conception or and idea or a term we use.

Truth is a SOMEONE not a something and that someone is a God.

Therefor only one Truth can exist about a single thing at any given time ,

If I choose to change a thing or alter it, does not change the fact that what was first was not true in it's first state. I only changed the true state of the first thing and made it something else or a new truth of it's own.

It may be a distorted state of the original none the less , but not the original truth from which it originated.

My point here is that not everyone in this world can be telling us the Truth.

They may may give us their point of view of a truth that they believe and that from their understanding they see it as truth.

How can we determine what is actually the Truth that comes from God and not a persons personal interpritation of a truth?

I believe that word of God became flesh (Jesus).

I also believe that that the ORIGINAL WRITERS of the Bible were inspired by God (the Holy Spirit).

I believe God and the writings in the Bible to be true, but who's interpritation or translation do we accept as truth.

The writing or books of the Bible was not compiled into a single book until 386 AD.

What was used before 386 AD?

The original writings were not written in English, So who was inspired and or how was this authority of God given to the person or persons that made the translations?

I ask that you look in the first few pages of your personal Bible and tell me who wrote it, or copied it,or who translated it whatever the case and then tell me who the editor or editors were.

Now ask yourself, who and or where their authority to do so comes from and or if personally they were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How was and is this AUTHORITY given to do so?

How can theses persons prove it?

I personally do wish to be mislead to believe or follow follow false teachers.

Who had the Authority to take out some the original books that existed in Bible for nearly 1500 years.

Then we have have do ask what are the Traditions we are keep that Paul stated we are to keep?

This implies that there is another way to know God's will for us along with the writings.

Even after it put together how many copies were available and to who were they given to?

To whom and how were they distributed?

Peace be with you

[Guest]

but can there be more than one truth about any one thing.? What would exist if nothing else existed?

Truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

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What was used before 386 AD?

The Word Of God

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

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Peace be with you

Jesus

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Matthitjah]

Questions lead to God and God leads to ask more questions in order for us to become more intimate with Him.

Is God ALL TRUTH ?

What I am asking more directly is can there ever be more than a single truth about any one thing?

I understand that we can apply a single truth to many different things, but can there be more than one truth about any one thing.?

What would exist if nothing else existed?

If we say say emptyness or empty space, that would still be something.

Even if we were to make a claim of any kind how would we know if it were a true statement?

The answer is even if nothing (even the emptyness of space) there would still be one thing that exist and that one thing would always be TRUTH.

Iether a thing is true or it is false. So something must have always existed and that one thing is TRUTH.

Truth is not a conception or and idea or a term we use.

Truth is a SOMEONE not a something and that someone is a God.

Therefor only one Truth can exist about a single thing at any given time ,

If I choose to change a thing or alter it, does not change the fact that what was first was not true in it's first state. I only changed the true state of the first thing and made it something else or a new truth of it's own.

It may be a distorted state of the original none the less , but not the original truth from which it originated.

My point here is that not everyone in this world can be telling us the Truth.

They may may give us their point of view of a truth that they believe and that from their understanding they see it as truth.

How can we determine what is actually the Truth that comes from God and not a persons personal interpritation of a truth?

I believe that word of God became flesh (Jesus).

I also believe that that the ORIGINAL WRITERS of the Bible were inspired by God (the Holy Spirit).

I believe God and the writings in the Bible to be true, but who's interpritation or translation do we accept as truth.

The writing or books of the Bible was not compiled into a single book until 386 AD.

What was used before 386 AD?

The original writings were not written in English, So who was inspired and or how was this authority of God given to the person or persons that made the translations?

I ask that you look in the first few pages of your personal Bible and tell me who wrote it, or copied it,or who translated it whatever the case and then tell me who the editor or editors were.

Now ask yourself, who and or where their authority to do so comes from and or if personally they were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How was and is this AUTHORITY given to do so?

How can theses persons prove it?

I personally do wish to be mislead to believe or follow follow false teachers.

Who had the Authority to take out some the original books that existed in Bible for nearly 1500 years.

Then we have have do ask what are the Traditions we are keep that Paul stated we are to keep?

This implies that there is another way to know God's will for us along with the writings.

Even after it put together how many copies were available and to who were they given to?

To whom and how were they distributed?

Peace be with you

Grace to you,

Perhaps you are talking about these traditions?

2Th 2:15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

I believe that Paul is talking about the oft stated Doctrine of the Gospel which said Apostles Preached.

There's no significant mystery that they were hiding nor has there been one hidden since the time they Preached it.

Peace,

Dave

[asimpleman]

Thanks for your replies.

What I am asking so as not be mislead by faulse teachers and to receive the truth is how do we know who is telling us the truth in today's world ?

Not all can be telling the complete truth or their wouldn't be soooo many different churches out their or sooo many different teachings and we would all be in agreement.

Is it not possible for people to misinterprate what they read ? or for someone to preach a partial truth?

Not that they would do so intentionally, yet there are some that do so as with someone like Jim Jones.

I do wish to drink the cool aid is what i'm saying and do not wish for others do so iether.

About the Bible and the books contained in it, some Bibles contain more books than others.

One example is the book of Tobit.

WHO had the Authority to take the book out the Bible and from where or whom did they receive this authority to do so?

If it was seen as acceptable and good before it was removed why is it no longer good if it was from God and was taught as Truth by the Holy Spirit?

As for translations from one language to another who oversees it being done? Who makes sure the editors do not make mistakes?

I mean one changed word can make a huge difference in meaning.

Example... is Jesus THE Lord or is Jesus A Lord ? THE Lord can be taken as the one and only. Where as A Lord can be taken as one of many.

Example... The words "for thine is the kingdom the power and the glory forever and ever" are not a part of the original prayer that Jesus taught. The were the inspirations of the translator.

There can only be One Truth. Everyone can not be right. Their are no gray areas as I've been told in my past.

After the apostles had left this world who and or how is their Authority and how has it been passed down? or are we on our own?

Some tell me that all we need to do is pray and read the scriptures for ourselves and that the Holy spirit will teach us.

If this is true then why do need preachers to tell us what the bible says?

THANKS AGAIN.

Peace be with you

Edited August 18, 2011 by asimpleman

[Matthitjah]

Thanks for your replies.

What I am asking so as not be mislead by faulse teachers and to receive the truth is how do we know who is telling us the truth in today's world ?

Not all can be telling the complete truth or their wouldn't be soooo many different churches out their or sooo many different teachings and we would all be in agreement.

Is it not possible for people to misinterprate what they read ? or for someone to preach a partial truth?

Not that they would do so intentionally, yet there are some that do so as with someone like Jim Jones.

I do wish to drink the cool aid is what i'm saying and do not wish for others do so iether.

About the Bible and the books contained in it, some Bibles contain more books than others.

One example is the book of Tobit.

WHO had the Authority to take the book out the Bible and from where or whom did they receive this authority to do so?

If it was seen as acceptable and good before it was removed why is it no longer good if it was from God and was taught as Truth by the Holy Spirit?

As for translations from one language to another who oversees it being done? Who makes sure the editors do not mistakes?

I mean one changed word can make a huge difference in meaning.

Example... is Jesus THE Lord or is Jesus A Lord ? THE Lord can taken as the one and only. Where as A Lord can be taken as one of many.

Example... The words "for thine is the kingdom and the glory forever and ever" are not a part of the original prayer that Jesus taught. The were the inspirations of the translator.

There can only be One Truth. Everyone can not be right. Their are no gray areas as I've been told in my past.

After the apostles had left this world who and or how is their Authority and how has it been passed down? or are we on our own?

Some tell me that all we need to do is pray and read the scriptures for ourselves and that the Holy spirit will teach us.

If this is true then why do need preachers to tell us what the bible says?

THANKS AGAIN.

Peace be with you

SM,

We are to try the spirits;

1Jo 4:1

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

We are to gain Wisdom by knowing God;

Pr 9:10

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

We are to be Like the Bereans trying what we hear against the Word;

Ac 17:10

¶ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming there went into the synagogue of the Jews.

Ac 17:11

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Peace,

Dave

[asimpleman]

Dave says to try ( or test ) the spirits.

That's what I do, I ask the questions others do not and they'll tell me to read it for myself or to pray but none ever answer my questions directly. Why?

Eleanor says to ask a more direct question of the Bible.

I am doing so to determine which Bible is the correct one to use. I can not be more direct in asking.

What is the Truth and who has the True Authority to oversee what we are given as the Truth and how is it given to them.

As I stated before I do not wish to be misled and follow some one else who may be mistaken.

I asked about the book of Tobit and why it is not in some Bibles and who had the authority to remove it and why and where did they receive this authority?

If the Holy Spirit had chosen it to be in the bible in earlier versions why not now?

It may not be important to others, it is for me. I like answers because someone made a choice that effects us all.

I do not mean this to be harshly in any manner, but someone changed the bible and it seems as though no one cares to ask why?

I can quote the scriptures all day, that does not mean that others with interpret it the same as I do and there bible may word it differently.

I come across this situation all the time.

For myself these are very important questions before we can agree on what the Truth is.

Thanks again and

Peace be with you

Edited August 20, 2011 by asimpleman

[Matthitjah]

That's what I do, I ask the questions others do not and they'll tell me to read it for myself or to pray but none ever answer my questions directly. Why?

You have been answered and rather directly.

Your problem is that you are trying the spirits by your own wisdom and understanding and not thhe Righteous measure of Gods Word.

peace,

Dave

[asimpleman]

Dave says to try ( or test ) the spirits.

That's what I do, I ask the questions others do not and they'll tell me to it read for myself or to pray but none ever answer my questions directly. Why?

Eleanor says to ask a more direct question of the Bible.

I am doing so to determine which Bible is the correct one to use.

What different Bibles are you referring to?

I can not be more direct in asking.

Is there a any specific teaching in the Bible about which you have a question?

What is the Truth and who has the True Authority to oversee that we are given as the Truth and how is it given to them.

As I stated before I do not wish to be misled and follow some one else who may be mistaken.

Until you can be a little more specific about a particular issue in the Bible, your general questions cannot be answered satisfactorily.

I asked about the book of Tobit and why it is not in some Bibles and who had the authority to remove it and why and where did they receive this authority?

If the holy spirit had chosen it to be in the bible in earlier versions why not now?

It may not be important to others, it is for me. i like answers because someone made a choice that effects us all.

Unless the book of Tobit contains something essential that is not found anywhere else in the Bible, it is not an issue.

That's why you need to be more specific about an issue, so the "different" Bibles can be examined to see if, in fact, they even differ on it.

i do not mean this to be harsh in any manner, but someone changed the bible and it seems as though no one cares to ask why?

I can quote the scriptures all day, that does not mean that others with interpret it the same as do and there bible may word it differently.

I come across this situation all the time.

Would you please give a specific example of one of those situations so we can start with something concrete and go from there?

for myself these are very important questions.

Thanks again

and Peace be with you

Thank you Eleanor

I see it as a very specific issue in it'self to ask why a whole book can be removed by someone and not be told by who's authority they were acting on and how they received this authority?

If a person or persons can edit the bible at their disposal, I ask what else can and or do they edit?

A Douay Rheims contains the book of Tobit and a King James does not and yes it is very impotent if someone can edit the bible to their licking.

Can I personally remove something from the bible because I feel as though it is covered elsewhere in the bible? Why or why not?

As I stated before I am a christian and I am only a simple man trying to seek the truth?

I am not a solo scriptura type of person. I find god in all of his creation. some tell it is only in the Bible. so I ask which one and why that one?

I ask the same of those who teach. From where do you receive Authority teach others if I can read it for myself and if I have the Holy Spirit teach me what it means?

There can only be one Truth, but it can be applied in many different situations, but still only one meaning and one truth.

I can only give what I receive and pass on what i have been taught so I need to ask these questions.

Thanks again and

Peace be with you

[JohnD]

Questions lead to God and God leads to ask more questions in order for us to become more intimate with Him.

Is God ALL TRUTH ?

What I am asking more directly is can there ever be more than a single truth about any one thing?

I understand that we can apply a single truth to many different things, but can there be more than one truth about any one thing.?

What would exist if nothing else existed?

If we say say emptyness or empty space, that would still be something.

Even if we were to make a claim of any kind how would we know if it were a true statement?

The answer is even if nothing (even the emptyness of space) there would still be one thing that exist and that one thing would always be TRUTH.

Iether a thing is true or it is false. So something must have always existed and that one thing is TRUTH.

Truth is not a conception or and idea or a term we use.

Truth is a SOMEONE not a something and that someone is a God.

Therefor only one Truth can exist about a single thing at any given time ,

If I choose to change a thing or alter it, does not change the fact that what was first was not true in it's first state. I only changed the true state of the first thing and made it something else or a new truth of it's own.

It may be a distorted state of the original none the less , but not the original truth from which it originated.

My point here is that not everyone in this world can be telling us the Truth.

They may may give us their point of view of a truth that they believe and that from their understanding they see it as truth.

How can we determine what is actually the Truth that comes from God and not a persons personal interpritation of a truth?

I believe that word of God became flesh (Jesus).

I also believe that that the ORIGINAL WRITERS of the Bible were inspired by God (the Holy Spirit).

I believe God and the writings in the Bible to be true, but who's interpritation or translation do we accept as truth.

The writing or books of the Bible was not compiled into a single book until 386 AD.

What was used before 386 AD?

The original writings were not written in English, So who was inspired and or how was this authority of God given to the person or persons that made the translations?

I ask that you look in the first few pages of your personal Bible and tell me who wrote it, or copied it,or who translated it whatever the case and then tell me who the editor or editors were.

Now ask yourself, who and or where their authority to do so comes from and or if personally they were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How was and is this AUTHORITY given to do so?

How can theses persons prove it?

I personally do wish to be mislead to believe or follow follow false teachers.

Who had the Authority to take out some the original books that existed in Bible for nearly 1500 years.

Then we have have do ask what are the Traditions we are keep that Paul stated we are to keep?

This implies that there is another way to know God's will for us along with the writings.

Even after it put together how many copies were available and to who were they given to?

To whom and how were they distributed?

Peace be with you

Simply put...

John 17:17 (NIV)

17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

John 14:6 (NIV)

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 1:1 (NIV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (NIV)

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Edited August 20, 2011 by JohnDB

[Durant]

The following is something that I believe to be true. Meaning I am saying I choose it and I could be wrong. But I don't think so. There are 2 kinds of truth in this world. There is the truth that is plainly obvious. Such as the sky is blue. The grass is green and sometimes brown depending on how much water its gotten. If I tell my kids I love them that's true as well. But then there is absolute truth. And that is where real power is. Because Absolute truth is not something we can see just by looking. Absolute truth is Yeshua ha'mashiach. (Which is His real given name) aka Jesus Christ. As you read the book of John the first chapter a light comes on and you go reread Genesis. And you see Yehsua doing creation. The reason I separate the two types of truth is this. What Yeshua speaks is truth. Meaning He spoke "Let there be light and it was" Absolute truth can change truth. For instance truth is I need a job and a place to live. If I through prayer got Him to speak "Durant gets a job and a place to live" My truth or circumstance changes. Absolute truth is Absolute power. That is what I believe and I am stickin to it. Even if it makes no sense to any one else.

Questions lead to God and God leads to ask more questions in order for us to become more intimate with Him.

Is God ALL TRUTH ?

What I am asking more directly is can there ever be more than a single truth about any one thing?

I understand that we can apply a single truth to many different things, but can there be more than one truth about any one thing.?

What would exist if nothing else existed?

If we say say emptyness or empty space, that would still be something.

Even if we were to make a claim of any kind how would we know if it were a true statement?

The answer is even if nothing (even the emptyness of space) there would still be one thing that exist and that one thing would always be TRUTH.

Iether a thing is true or it is false. So something must have always existed and that one thing is TRUTH.

Truth is not a conception or and idea or a term we use.

Truth is a SOMEONE not a something and that someone is a God.

Therefor only one Truth can exist about a single thing at any given time ,

If I choose to change a thing or alter it, does not change the fact that what was first was not true in it's first state. I only changed the true state of the first thing and made it something else or a new truth of it's own.

It may be a distorted state of the original none the less , but not the original truth from which it originated.

My point here is that not everyone in this world can be telling us the Truth.

They may may give us their point of view of a truth that they believe and that from their understanding they see it as truth.

How can we determine what is actually the Truth that comes from God and not a persons personal interpritation of a truth?

I believe that word of God became flesh (Jesus).

I also believe that that the ORIGINAL WRITERS of the Bible were inspired by God (the Holy Spirit).

I believe God and the writings in the Bible to be true, but who's interpritation or translation do we accept as truth.

The writing or books of the Bible was not compiled into a single book until 386 AD.

What was used before 386 AD?

The original writings were not written in English, So who was inspired and or how was this authority of God given to the person or persons that made the translations?

I ask that you look in the first few pages of your personal Bible and tell me who wrote it, or copied it,or who translated it whatever the case and then tell me who the editor or editors were.

Now ask yourself, who and or where their authority to do so comes from and or if personally they were inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How was and is this AUTHORITY given to do so?

How can theses persons prove it?

I personally do wish to be mislead to believe or follow follow false teachers.

Who had the Authority to take out some the original books that existed in Bible for nearly 1500 years.

Then we have have do ask what are the Traditions we are keep that Paul stated we are to keep?

This implies that there is another way to know God's will for us along with the writings.

Even after it put together how many copies were available and to who were they given to?

To whom and how were they distributed?

Peace be with you