The Most Hated People on Earth

[nebula]

You claim that Messianic Jews mostly describe themselves as such to show Jews they're not anti-semitic. Your error is exposed in the fact that Jews have an especially high dislike of Messianic Jews, beyond that of other Christians.

Ariux - you didn't answer me.

Why do you you have such hatred against the Jews and Jewish believers?

This is how your posts come across.

[Guest yod]

A Messianic Jew IS a Christian. One of the problems that some believers have is Jewish believers segregating themselves as 'Messianic Jews'. There IS no Jew or Gentile in Christ. We are all Believers. And unfortunately, there are some Jewish Believers who do upon examination of their teachings, give off a Judaizer appearance, even if they are not in truth. That's something Jewish Believers do have to be careful of, just as Gentile Believers have to be careful of being anti-Semitic. If we would just be Believers period, these problems would soon disappear.

That would only work if we can get rid of all our other labels -

Catholic

Baptist

Methodist

Evangelical

Pentecostal

etc.

LOL....yeah, there wasn't a problem with denominations and divisions until those groups came along and kicked the jews out.

[Ariux]

Why do you you have such hatred against the Jews and Jewish believers?

This is how your posts come across.

Liberals are motivated by their own prejudices; racism, sexism, and all kinds of bigotries. Because this is what motivates them, they think this is what motivates everyone else. Therefor, if you disagree wit them, the only reason they can see is that you hate them, or you're racist, or whatever label applies.

[Guest shiloh357]

Bold Believer, on 27 September 2011 - 10:09 AM, said:

A Messianic Jew IS a Christian. One of the problems that some believers have is Jewish believers segregating themselves as 'Messianic Jews'. There IS no Jew or Gentile in Christ. We are all Believers. And unfortunately, there are some Jewish Believers who do upon examination of their teachings, give off a Judaizer appearance, even if they are not in truth. That's something Jewish Believers do have to be careful of, just as Gentile Believers have to be careful of being anti-Semitic. If we would just be Believers period, these problems would soon disappear.

The term "Messianic Jew" is not meant to be a means of segregating themselves. It is a means of identification with a particular theological stance. It is not really any different that any of the denomination titles that we employ. They identify who we are and what we believe. "Messianic" is the Hebrew equivalent to "Christian." They use a hebraic form because it identifies them as believers and not as traditional Jews. They are not trying t separate themselvs from other Christians. It is a means of drawing a line of demarcation between them and Jewish nonbelievers and a public expression of their faith.

I don't hear anyone complaining that African Americans, Hispanics, Koreans, Japanese, Native Americans, etc. segregate and have their own congregations all over the United States and celebrate their own heritages and traditions many which go back to ancient times.

[Guest shiloh357]

Why do you you have such hatred against the Jews and Jewish believers?

This is how your posts come across.

Liberals are motivated by their own prejudices; racism, sexism, and all kinds of bigotries. Because this is what motivates them, they think this is what motivates everyone else. Therefor, if you disagree wit them, the only reason they can see is that you hate them, or you're racist, or whatever label applies.

So why do you hate Jews? You didn't answer the question.

[nebula]

There is nothing pagan about a tree, per se. There is nothing pagan about Christians using trees in their celebration of Christ's birthday. A view to the contrary seems to me to be the very essence of legalism - and hypocrisy. Those who object to Christmas trees embrace all sorts of things of pagan origin - and, they don't care.

What would you say to someone using a pentagram to worship Jesus with?

Jews returned the favor? You mean like after Jesus went around getting the Romans to crucify Jews, only then did Jews do it to Jesus?

What are you talking about? Or are you being sarcastic when you said Jesus went around getting Romans to crucify Jews?

Fast forward to today, Jews are persecuting Christians, but I don't see Christians persecuting Jews.

I have a Jewish friend who was beat up by Christians, calling him "Christ-killer" and "Jew-dus".

What are Jews doing to Christians that you see?

We have no early Gospel written in anything but Greek. What is Hebrew thought?

There is evidence that Matthew was originally written in Aramaic, but was translated into Greek later. The original was lost.

Greek was the international language back then, and so the best means of communication.

Hebrew thought is action-based, as opposed to Hellenistic (Greek) thought which is knowledge-based. Hebraic is concerned with correct actions where Hellenistic is concerned with correct thinking. The Old Testament, and what Jesus taught, merit righteousness based on what people did, not what theological nuances they believed or not.

[nebula]

Why do you you have such hatred against the Jews and Jewish believers?

This is how your posts come across.

Liberals are motivated by their own prejudices; racism, sexism, and all kinds of bigotries. Because this is what motivates them, they think this is what motivates everyone else. Therefor, if you disagree wit them, the only reason they can see is that you hate them, or you're racist, or whatever label applies.

So, are you saying you are Liberal and explaining your actions, or accusing me of being Liberal?

I'm not a Liberal by any use of the word.

[Guest shiloh357]

Ariux, on 27 September 2011 - 11:45 AM, said:

You claim that Messianic Jews mostly describe themselves as such to show Jews they're not anti-semitic. Your error is exposed in the fact that Jews have an especially high dislike of Messianic Jews, beyond that of other Christians.

That is a rather disjointed response. Messianic Jews describe themselves as such as means of identifying with the Messiah, but they are still Jews. It is not a sin to be a Jew. and the most Jewish thing a Jew can do is to believe in the Messiah. Yes, they are hated by other Jews, but that hatred is rooted in 2,000 years of the kind of hatred and vitriol you are expressing here. It is folks like you that cut the lines of communication off between Jews and Christians.

[mizzdy]

Anti-semitism is never allowed in any form, ever. Shutting this down before it turns into something unworthy.

shalom,

Mizzdy

[mizzdy]

I have reopened this thread, we shouldn't have any more unwanted responses or at least I hope so!