Women Pastors

[Shelby]

I might have spoke in haste, I will not leave, but I will be more guarded in offering any posts. The one thing Deirdre is that it worries me too how Christians are willing to offend other Christians being of the mindset that they are family so we can call them out. It isn't like that.

I have noticed that even I do that in my relationships. I can be cranky about something, and my husband will usually be the one who sees the crankyness, and I think it is because I subconsciously think, well he knows me and loves me for who I am, and this is me right now. But I would never show that to someone else for worry that they might think they had something to do with my crankiness at the moment. I hope that made sense.

Thanks Kristen. You always have a way of summing up things in a way that I am unable to. I agree absolutely with you. The main thing being...

some (names I won't mention) have been a little over zealous in speaking what they believe is truth.

This is fine when you state it, but then it becomes more personal when remarks are made back and forth. Because it is no longer between a person and God. I was hurt, very much, but mostly upset with myself for letting some of this get to me. Mainly that I let my guard down, and expected people to respond in a loving manor. That is what I try to do. I can't say I haven't failed though. Usually a result of immediately responding. The heart break of this is that I no longer feel like this is a safe place to fellowship. I will be guarded, because I was hurt. But I really hope mostly that we all learn something from this. If nothing else, how to temper our posts with love. IT IS possible to show truth with love. Wven though we are all believers, we should still treat eachothers in a way, that we recognize that our words are a witness to eachother as much as they are to non believers. Right now in this day and age, we really need to stick together.

I hope that my true beliefs on my role as a woman is now understood.

Thank you Deirdre for always being willing to hear me out. I know we have but heads many times, and that is expected sometimes, but I am really happy for you and Nick. I wish you God's Blessing as you both fulfill his will on your lives. You are a young vibrant woman, and often remind me of myself. I guess that is why I do step in sometimes, I do have young sisters and they are about your age, and the thought of them getting married scares me, I can;t picture them old enough. I Guess I picture Tawney, Sumer, Crystal, and Kathy when you post, and I just want to help you not go through what i have gone through. Not to mention they know me. And you don't. So I will be more careful not to mother or be a big sister to you. I guess I just really miss them. 2 are in college, one is a senior, and one in 7th grade. I can't believe it! I feels so old. I am only 28 though.

Okay enough with the reminiscing!

[Nicks Girl]

Thank you Deirdre for always being willing to hear me out. I know we have but heads many times, and that is expected sometimes, but I am really happy for you and Nick. I wish you God's Blessing as you both fulfill his will on your lives. You are a young vibrant woman, and often remind me of myself. I guess that is why I do step in sometimes, I do have young sisters and they are about your age, and the thought of them getting married scares me, I can;t picture them old enough. I Guess I picture Tawney, Sumer, Crystal, and Kathy when you post, and I just want to help you not go through what i have gone through. Not to mention they know me. And you don't. So I will be more careful not to mother or be a big sister to you. I guess I just really miss them. 2 are in college, one is a senior, and one in 7th grade. I can't believe it! I feels so old. I am only 28 though.

I don't have any older siblings at all. I'm the oldest of 7 and I've always been the "motherly" figure to them. I have three sisters, and 3 brothers. My sisters are only 12, 10, and 1. Many people mature at different ages, but I understand how an older sister would see people her own sister's ages.

I can only imagine how I will feel when my own sister's get older, and start dating, etc. It's hard for me to be the "kid", since I've always been the "adult" in my family. My mother and I are like best friends, so she is very mothering, but she see's me as an equal.. most of the time I'm giving her advice, for some reason, she's always looked up to me. And so I've naturally stepped into that position of being the adult, and mothering my siblings.

My friends have always been older as well. My BEST friend, who is closest in age to me, is 21, three years older than I am. My other friends have always been 5-8 years older than myself. I've always fit in better with people older than myself. I find it very hard to get close to girls my own age. Most of them aren't even THINKING about marriage, much less married, or thinking about children. I find myself having things in common with girls who are older, and at that stage in their lives. Again, sorry if I've offended, I didn't mean to, I was only speaking truth as I understand it. God bless

[apothanein kerdos]

Shelby, can you please not mix the issues with personal attacks? You need to take the focus off you, lose the victim mentality, and get back to the issues. Everything you quoted was within debating the issues, not you.

[Orr v'emet]

Perhaps we all need to refocus our eyes on Jesus.

[traveller]

Perhaps we all need to refocus our eyes on Jesus.

Excellent advise.

[Shelby]

Thank you Deirdre for always being willing to hear me out. I know we have but heads many times, and that is expected sometimes, but I am really happy for you and Nick. I wish you God's Blessing as you both fulfill his will on your lives. You are a young vibrant woman, and often remind me of myself. I guess that is why I do step in sometimes, I do have young sisters and they are about your age, and the thought of them getting married scares me, I can;t picture them old enough. I Guess I picture Tawney, Sumer, Crystal, and Kathy when you post, and I just want to help you not go through what i have gone through. Not to mention they know me. And you don't. So I will be more careful not to mother or be a big sister to you. I guess I just really miss them. 2 are in college, one is a senior, and one in 7th grade. I can't believe it! I feels so old. I am only 28 though.

I don't have any older siblings at all. I'm the oldest of 7 and I've always been the "motherly" figure to them. I have three sisters, and 3 brothers. My sisters are only 12, 10, and 1. Many people mature at different ages, but I understand how an older sister would see people her own sister's ages.

I can only imagine how I will feel when my own sister's get older, and start dating, etc. It's hard for me to be the "kid", since I've always been the "adult" in my family. My mother and I are like best friends, so she is very mothering, but she see's me as an equal.. most of the time I'm giving her advice, for some reason, she's always looked up to me. And so I've naturally stepped into that position of being the adult, and mothering my siblings.

My friends have always been older as well. My BEST friend, who is closest in age to me, is 21, three years older than I am. My other friends have always been 5-8 years older than myself. I've always fit in better with people older than myself. I find it very hard to get close to girls my own age. Most of them aren't even THINKING about marriage, much less married, or thinking about children. I find myself having things in common with girls who are older, and at that stage in their lives. Again, sorry if I've offended, I didn't mean to, I was only speaking truth as I understand it. God bless

No we are good. We have alot in common. My mother and I are alot more like sisters that mother and daughter too. I usually have to be the one to make a move to stay in contact, or to advise her on what to do in situations. Unfortunately she is not a Christian right now. She is a great mother now though.

I see now that we are ALOT alike. When I was 17 I had a 3yr old to take care of, my baby sister, because my mom is disabled, so I naturally took on that adult role in my house and took care of all of my siblings and my dad. I cooked, cleaned, checked homework, found babysitters, etc. I grew up really quick. I totally get it. I am so sorry for anything I have said before. You seem to have a great head on your shoulders and lately I have noticed that I have learned alot from you.

GBU Deirdre!

PS - To stay off subject, does your name have a meaning or history?

[Shelby]

Shelby, can you please not mix the issues with personal attacks? You need to take the focus off you, lose the victim mentality, and get back to the issues. Everything you quoted was within debating the issues, not you.

* You're ignoring the entire context in which I answer questions. You took one answer off of two letters that I explained for KMB and are basing your security off of it. Read the entire topic, what you are preaching is wrong.

What isn't personal? Now I have moved on, maybe you can too.

[apothanein kerdos]

Shelby, can you please not mix the issues with personal attacks? You need to take the focus off you, lose the victim mentality, and get back to the issues. Everything you quoted was within debating the issues, not you.

* You're ignoring the entire context in which I answer questions. You took one answer off of two letters that I explained for KMB and are basing your security off of it. Read the entire topic, what you are preaching is wrong.

What isn't personal? Now I have moved on, maybe you can too.

Shelby, if you're going to be in the ministry, you need to toughen up. If little comments like that bother you, you will not make it in ministry. And I would say that of ANYONE going in the ministry. My suite mate and I got into it and I said the same thing to him because he blew up over a small issue.

I'm simply telling you Shelby, unless you toughen up, you won't make it. None of the comments I made were personal. What you quoted me on was an aexplanation of the debate and what had happened, after I had been accused of making it personal.

[BobTriez]

Shelby, can you please not mix the issues with personal attacks? You need to take the focus off you, lose the victim mentality, and get back to the issues. Everything you quoted was within debating the issues, not you.

* You're ignoring the entire context in which I answer questions. You took one answer off of two letters that I explained for KMB and are basing your security off of it. Read the entire topic, what you are preaching is wrong.

What isn't personal? Now I have moved on, maybe you can too.

Shelby, if you're going to be in the ministry, you need to toughen up. If little comments like that bother you, you will not make it in ministry. And I would say that of ANYONE going in the ministry. My suite mate and I got into it and I said the same thing to him because he blew up over a small issue.

I'm simply telling you Shelby, unless you toughen up, you won't make it. None of the comments I made were personal. What you quoted me on was an aexplanation of the debate and what had happened, after I had been accused of making it personal.

Ok, 26 pages is enough. Let's take a break for a bit....I may unlock this at a later date...but for now it's locked....this thread has turned to personal attacks....where's Jesus ?