Women Pastors

[sachi]

GOD MAN

I believe that regardless of title, responsibility, or office, the point at which a man is instructed by woman in the Word of God is the point at which there is a contradiction with the Word and the order which God has ordained for His people. It's not a matter of a man being superior to the woman. It is simply a matter of preserving the order which God has ordained

I totally agree with you - ts not about mael versus female stuff . . .

The harsh reality of what actually has happened in missions and foreign outreaches particualry at the end of the 20th and beginning of the 21 century froces us to reconsider our categorical position.

I REPEAT MY LAST POST:

Well, I guess there are a lot of women who violated the Scriptures then :x: - out there in different countries, sent out by Baptist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, Presbyterian and other missions - who baptized in the name of Jesus, build churches, forged inroads through alien territories for the Lord . . .

I myself was a missionary to a foreign land.

My father, Baptist minister - of a very well known Baptist Convention in NorthAmerica - had a steady stream of missionaries ministering in our churches, many of them women who were doing cutting edge work in the places of their calling -

The churches they raised up are now being led by indigenous male pastors-

But praise God, these women were obedient . . .

Some of them actually related the 'conflict' they had re: th eresponsibilities they had to take on, which they thought were delegated to 'men' only.

But they did it -

God is not prescriptive in His work.

Edited September 22, 2004 by sachi

[Guest Called]

Tess, I think the onlly scripture I didn't elaborate on was 1 Timothy 3:8-12, so let me do that now.

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses.  1 Timothy 3:8-12

This would seem that the ofice of deacon was for a man during this time...however what I find interesting is that Phoebe was a deaconess (possibly).

I commend unto you Phoebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also. Romans 16:1-2

Phoebe probably delivered the letter to Rome. Paul commended her as a sister in Christ and a servant (Greek diakonos). The feminine form of servant is not used in the Greek, to interpretations are possible. She could have been a deaconess or this could be a general reference to her service in the church.

I also want to give the example of Priscilla, along with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos (a man).

And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: Acts 18:24-26

I think I answered the questions you have...if not let me know!

God Bless,

Debbie

[Ovedya]

In the Bible a woman may be a deaconess. However, he authority must rest in that of a male servant over her. Such as an elder, for example.

[Guest koppen]

This subject....all I can say is hold me back LORD!...LOL

when you are CALLED by God ...MAN"S OPINION MEANS NOTHING!

Read Galations 3:28

The Pharaoh, is a representation of a religious spirit' that puts women in bondage. The truth of God's Word concerning women has been grossly misrepresented over the years. We must study the Bible in it's FULL context, considering the culture and times, as well as the Greek and Hebrew translations.

If one woman can take whole areas for Christ, what can we do with an army of men and women walking side by side, in unity?

"In this strategic hour the Holy Spirit is releasing His daughters to run to the battle, and He is placing a fierce cry in their hearts that is striking terror in the enemy. The "Women of the Last Hour" ministry is helping to release that war cry in our generation. I am so thrilled that this organization is equipping God's daughters for the battle."

---J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma and author of "Ten Lies the Church Tells Women"

read John 4:8

Women from broken homes, and rejected by the church and the world, are already looking for Me, just as the Samaritan woman had already been looking for Me: John 4:25 ?I know that the Messiah is coming, When He comes He will tell us all things.

John 4:28 "The woman then left her water pot, went her way into the city, and said to the men"

Women have been pushed down even to this present hour. They have been held back, and looked down upon as less, when God never intended for them to be. Where in His Word does it say, "women are lesser"? Religion has put women in a box, when He intended for man and woman to be one, one in unity and one in purpose. "Fill up and complete my joy by living in harmony and being of the same mind AND ONE IN PURPOSE?" (Phil 2:2) Its been acceptable for the church to send women out to the frontlines as missionaries. At home they are Sunday school teachers or intercessors, religion has put limits on women! There is no limit to God?s Spirit.

For this is the last hour, the time of harvest, the last preparation, and He is looking for those who will work in His vineyard. As He looks to and fro for workers for His vineyard He has found many of His women standing idle. Now He asks them, "Why do you stand here idle all day?" His women reply, "Because nobody has hired us." (Matt. 20:6 &7) God?s women have been idle for too long! They have been confined in the pews for years! God knows they have maintained a servant?s heart that has been clothed in humility. Now He desires to bring them forth in this hour, to raise them up, for they have been faithful with little now God is trusting them with more. Yes, faithful to the Body of Christ they have been.

It was the women who came with the anointing before and after the resurrection. An anointing that was considered a waste by man, but praised and considered of great value by Christ Himself. (Matt 26:7) Jesus even gave the women the first gospel message yet their claim of His resurrection was mocked by the Apostles. (Luke 24:22)

Will you mock His women in this hour with the message He has deposited in their hearts? These women who have been considered less, who have been pushed down and confined are the very ones who have and will continue to keep His church together. They have kept the Body of Christ together by their devotion to Him simply sitting at His feet. He will reward them in this hour the same ?denarius? that all the other vineyard workers will receive. (Matt 20:9)

He is causing the women to rise up with equal rank in the anointing and power of His Spirit to do His work. (Matt 20: 12) "Arise and shine for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon you?" (Isaiah 60:1) There is no line of gender here. In this hour those that have been pushed aside and considered lowly will be exalted. "?and those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness?" (1 Cor 12:23-25)

The first shall be last and the last shall be first? (Matt 20:16)

[Orr v'emet]

I believe that regardless of title, responsibility, or office, the point at which a man is instructed by woman in the Word of God is the point at which there is a contradiction with the Word and the order which God has ordained for His people. It's not a matter of a man being superior to the woman. It is simply a matter of preserving the order which God has ordained

I'm wondering what your thoughts are about the culture that Paul was addressing. I have understood the verses most quoted about this subject to show that Paul was merely trying to show that there should be order in worship and that kind of thing. I mean, to take the context of all of those verses literally women should sit back and never utter a word. I'm trying to gain some understanding and would like for you to expound more.

[naomi3]

3)Priscilla- her leadership can be seen throughout Paul's epistle's.

I would also like to add there are MANY well know bible scholars who believe Priscilla to be the one who wrote Hebrews but never signed her name because she was a woman. If this is true.......wouldn't that make her an authority in all our lives. A teacher and pastor to us all? Just thought I would throw that out there.

[Orr v'emet]

Apologies are wonderful, but they do not take away the damage done by someone's actions.

I understand. Whoever coined the phrase "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" was a nimrod . All I can tell you is I love you with the love of the Lord and keep pluckin' away at it!

[Orr v'emet]

3)Priscilla- her leadership can be seen throughout Paul's epistle's. 

I would also like to add there are MANY well know bible scholars who believe Priscilla to be the one who wrote Hebrews but never signed her name because she was a woman. If this is true.......wouldn't that make her an authority in all our lives. A teacher and pastor to us all? Just thought I would throw that out there.

I don't know that I could agree with that. It would mean that God's Word was fallable and we all know it's not. (not fallable because a woman wrote it...fallable because it would cast doubt)

[Guest Called]

In the Bible a woman may be a deaconess. However, he authority must rest in that of a male servant over her. Such as an elder, for example.

Okay Beau (did I spell that right? ), let me ask you something...like I said earlier my husband's grandmother is a pastor, now, her husband does preach sometimes and he is co-pastor I would guess...Anyway...she is the pastor of that church, but her association her church under is led by a man...wouldn't that in a sense be her under the authority of a man? I would think so....just a thought....

[naomi3]

I don't know that I could agree with that. It would mean that God's Word was fallable and we all know it's not. (not fallable because a woman wrote it...fallable because it would cast doubt)

That doesn't make His word fallable, it would just mean those who would doubt it just because a woman wrote it would be judgemental.

Then who wrote, what man wouldn't sign his name? Someone obviously didn't sign for a reason. And this isn't my conclusion it is suspect to bible scholars who have studied this topic.