A further gleaning into the Charcter of Our Lord

[enoob57]

Well there are deeper things involved in this Shiloh for me than just knowing!

1.) Eph 4:26-27

26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath,

NKJV

In order to imitate this obedience I must find its understanding in God... because

Jas 1:19-20

19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,

slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

NKJV

I am thinking if I can understand its purpose and How God uses it to bring about His use of it in righteousness?

2.) Love the sinner but hate the sin... many verses combined toward concept!

I believe it would improve this area of effectiveness in use by God within me toward evangelism... Love, Steven

[enoob57]

Can wrath exist without a cause?

But can wrath be a substance that is created?

So I mean, that's what it sounds like you are asking?

well that would get a jump on things! Shiloh seems to reason that it is God's Character... Your answers to the above would at least define the directives a little better... especially exist without cause! yes or no and why... Love, Steven

No one gets angry without something to be angry at.

But the ability and potential are there.

Was the Lord wrathful at anything before Satan's rebellion? Well, since we have no idea what did or did not exist before this time, we can't know!

But was it in God's character and nature to become angry? I don't see why not.

Well it is difficult to reason with God in this ... 1John chapters 3 & 4 brought under 1Cor 13 and then have people so immersed in the sins yet having love and acceptance for them but hatred and anger for their sins... I am trying to improve myself in this area for the possible ministry to teens... which right now I feel totally inept!

[enoob57]

Can wrath exist without a cause?

But can wrath be a substance that is created?

So I mean, that's what it sounds like you are asking?

well that would get a jump on things! Shiloh seems to reason that it is God's Character... Your answers to the above would at least define the directives a little better... especially exist without cause! yes or no and why... Love, Steven

Wrath is not an attribute of God. God hates sin and always has. That is is what constitutes God's character. Wrath speaks to the outworking of God's hatred of sin. Honestly Steve, there is no reason to make this more complicated than it is.

Well I have to admit if anyone can make an Oreo cookie complicated 'that would be me'.... but motives are good! Love, Steven

[nebula]

Well there are deeper things involved in this Shiloh for me than just knowing!

1.) Eph 4:26-27

26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath,

NKJV

Well, it doesn't say, "don't be angry," or "anger is a sin."

Rather, "[when you are] angry, ... do not sin."

As for the second part - don't stew in your anger.

In order to imitate this obedience I must find its understanding in God... because

Jas 1:19-20

19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,

slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

NKJV

I am thinking if I can understand its purpose and How God uses it to bring about His use of it in righteousness?

"Slow to wrath" is not "do not have wrath."

[nebula]

Well it is difficult to reason with God in this ... 1John chapters 3 & 4 brought under 1Cor 13 and then have people so immersed in the sins yet having love and acceptance for them but hatred and anger for their sins... I am trying to improve myself in this area for the possible ministry to teens... which right now I feel totally inept!

Ah - teens can sure test your patience!

Ask the Lord to grant you eyes to see past their faults to their needs.

And pick your battles. Some things teens do is because they do not know in their hearts to act different than what is fed them by their peers and the media. Plus they come from broken and/or dysfunctional homes and are reacting or expressing themselves out of their pain and brokenness.

Instead of theologizing "wrath," ask the Lord to teach you how to love and to fill you with His love for them.

[enoob57]

Well it is difficult to reason with God in this ... 1John chapters 3 & 4 brought under 1Cor 13 and then have people so immersed in the sins yet having love and acceptance for them but hatred and anger for their sins... I am trying to improve myself in this area for the possible ministry to teens... which right now I feel totally inept!

Ah - teens can sure test your patience!

Ask the Lord to grant you eyes to see past their faults to their needs.

And pick your battles. Some things teens do is because they do not know in their hearts to act different than what is fed them by their peers and the media. Plus they come from broken and/or dysfunctional homes and are reacting or expressing themselves out of their pain and brokenness.

Instead of theologizing "wrath," ask the Lord to teach you how to love and to fill you with His love for them.

I am probably misreading the intent of your loving advice... so forgive me and let me know so by a kind "your out of your mind"

I've read that in another thread where theology is possibly disdained in your eyes? I and formed within to live unto God

this way- mind->will->emotion. Because common sense dictates God has come to us in His Word John 1 and the command of

God 2Tim 2:15 thus receiving 2Tim 3:16 ... I certainly have learned my emotions are slung from one end of the spectrum to another

because of the unique connection to body by senses directing emotional response to action! We can act without thinking if we allow

this avenue unchecked by the mind and will! Isa 1:22.People often confuse trust with mental abandonment but true trust is that after

we have taken in His Word... The holy Spirit will implement The Use of That Word to the identity of Christ Himself... Love, Steven

[nebula]

I am probably misreading the intent of your loving advice... so forgive me and let me know so by a kind "your out of your mind"

I've read that in another thread where theology is possibly disdained in your eyes?

Well, that depends on what is meant by "theology". I mean, we are discussing "theology" now, are we not?

The problem is we elevate the thinking about God and debating the things of God above the actual practice of getting to know God the way we would get to know a friend.

It's like the religious leaders Jesus rebuked for studying Scripture to find life, yet the Author of Life stood before them and they did not recognize Him.

I and formed within to live unto God this way- mind->will->emotion.

"I and formed"? I think that's a mistype, but I can't place what was meant to be said? Sorry.

Because common sense dictates God has come to us in His Word John 1 and the command of

God 2Tim 2:15 thus receiving 2Tim 3:16 ... I certainly have learned my emotions are slung from one end of the spectrum to another

because of the unique connection to body by senses directing emotional response to action! We can act without thinking if we allow

this avenue unchecked by the mind and will! Isa 1:22.People often confuse trust with mental abandonment but true trust is that after

we have taken in His Word... The holy Spirit will implement The Use of That Word to the identity of Christ Himself... Love, Steven

OK. I am not understanding though what this has to do with God's wrath and what you are trying to sort? Other than you need help with keeping your emotions under control?

[enoob57]

Well there are deeper things involved in this Shiloh for me than just knowing!

1.) Eph 4:26-27

26 "Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath,

NKJV

Well, it doesn't say, "don't be angry," or "anger is a sin."

Rather, "[when you are] angry, ... do not sin."

As for the second part - don't stew in your anger.

For me the Lord is telling me to be angry with sin but don't let the result of that anger which is wrath be allowed to remain in me.

Doing so would grieve The Holy Spirit vs. 30 & 31.

So this brings me to the understanding that if wrath is not to remain in me then also Our Lord God will remove it from Himself in the

eternities of unity with Him... when the reason for it (sins judgment) has ended in the eternal state. Which may very well be the

capsule of God's swallowing up ... Hell is to be God's eternal wrath for that within and a Perfect deterrent to those outside of ever

the approach to hell's boarders? The wrath of God is of this magnitude CONSUMING FEAR, TOTAL DESIRE TO ESCAPE

WITHOUT HOPE OF DOING SO, THE WORST... AN INTENSITY OF TODAY ONLY INCREASED BY THE MORROW WITH OUT END...

In order to imitate this obedience I must find its understanding in God... because

Jas 1:19-20

19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak,

slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

NKJV

I am thinking if I can understand its purpose and How God uses it to bring about His use of it in righteousness?

"Slow to wrath" is not "do not have wrath."

That is correct but having the anger of the sin while the exercise of putting the wrath portion away from us... for it is

the judgment of God toward sin and that belongs solely to our Father in Heaven thus fulfilling 'judge not lest ye be judged' concepts!

How could my heart judge another when I am as they except Christ cover me and change me and Live in me for His Honor and Glory

this ignites the fire of my heart in this work of witness... Love, Steven

[nebula]

For me the Lord is telling me to be angry with sin but don't let the result of that anger which is wrath be allowed to remain in me.

Did you mean to say "be angry with sin"? This makes it sound as if you are given an allowance to sin.

Please clarify.

[enoob57]

I have to go and remodel a bathroom in my Church now... I will return at lunch and try further explain my search for God's Mind in this! Love, Steven