believers Baptism?

[deut31:12]

There may have been multiple baptism in the church's infancy, but there is only one baptism that Jesus commissioned the the Apostles to carry out and that is baptism by water for the remission of sins. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38)

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Acts 8:35-37 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

[SoGrateful]

There may have been multiple baptism in the church's infancy, but there is only one baptism that Jesus commissioned

the the Apostles to carry out and that is baptism by water for the remission of sins. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38)

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Well, so much for your "one baptism" ... thanks anyway ...

Hebrews 6:1-2

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ,

let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of

repentance from dead works and

faith toward God,

the doctrine of baptisms (plural),

laying on of hands,

resurrection of the dead, and

eternal judgment.

And now you should read Post #10.

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Edited March 6, 2012 by SoGrateful

[deut31:12]

There may have been multiple baptism in the church's infancy, but there is only one baptism that Jesus commissioned

the the Apostles to carry out and that is baptism by water for the remission of sins. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38)

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Well, so much for your "one baptism" ... thanks anyway ...

Hebrews 6:1-2

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ,

let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of

repentance from dead works and

faith toward God,

the doctrine of baptisms (plural),

laying on of hands,

resurrection of the dead, and

eternal judgment.

And now you should read Post #10.

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Then why does Ephesians state "one baptism"? There were at the time of the infancy of the church various baptisms. John the Baptist's baptism served its purpose to lead up to Christ, but when he arrived it was no longer needed. the baptism of the HS was for the Apostles on the day of Pentecost to serve a purpose of giving them the gifts of the HS and that is no longer being used (when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away). After the gospel was complete the gifts dies out with the Apostles and the remnant of who they gave it to.

The commission that Jesus gave to the Apostles in Mathew and Mark referred to water baptism. You see Peter carrying this out for the first time in Acts 2 where 3000 were baptized for the remission of their sins. You see Philip and the Eunuch using water baptism. Ephesians states there is ONE baptism and that is the water baptism for the remission of your sins. The other baptisms had their time and place but the latter has been meant

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

The baptism for the remission of sins is the one that is promised to us. Not the others.

[Floatingaxe]

Hebrews 6:1-2

1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. 2 You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

There is one baptism, but there are two parts: one is the baptism by immersion in water which is what we do in obedience as pretty much (optimally) the first command of God we obey as believers. Then, there is the subsequent baptism of the Holy Spirit, where we receive power to live out our faith and exercise the giftings God has given us with greater ease and results.

[SoGrateful]

... the baptism of the HS was for the Apostles on the day of Pentecost to serve a purpose of giving them the gifts of the HS

and that is no longer being used (when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away).

After the gospel was complete the gifts dies out with the Apostles and the remnant of who they gave it to.

Brother, you have been given some serious false teaching re: the above.

1 Cor. 13:10 means that when Jesus (who is perfect) returns, there will be no more need of these things,

but until that time the 9 spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12) are to be used.

These gifts are to be used in conjunction with the gospel as a testimony to the validity of the gospel.

These gifts have been used all over the world to reach the lost.

Who has been giving these powerful gifts, which help lead people to the Lord? Satan?

If you desire the truth, I invite you to search this out for yourself ... in the following 14 verses.

Please notice in the chart how the baptism with the Holy Spirit is connected with such things as:

the Spirit coming "upon" the person, speaking in tongues, miracles, etc.

(In the many Bible verses concerning salvation, the Holy Spirit comes "in" the person.

I especially point you to John 14:17, and Paul gives many as well.)

1 Luke 24:49 ------ 8 Acts 8:14-19

2 Acts 1:4-8 ------ 9 Acts 9:17-18

3 Acts 2:1-4 ----- 10 Romans 15:19

4 Acts 2:33-39 --- 11 Acts 10:44-48

5 Acts 4:8-16 ---- 12 Acts 11:15-17

6 Acts 4:31 ------ 13 Acts 14:3

7 Acts 5:12-16 ----14 Acts 19:5-6

------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

the Promise --------Y-Y---Y-------------------------

baptism with HS ------Y-------------Y--------Y-----Y

the gift -----------------Y---------------Y--Y------

upon ---------------Y Y Y---------Y-------Y--Y-----Y

laying on of hands ---------------Y-Y-----------Y--Y

filled with HS ---------Y---Y-Y-----Y---------------

received HS ----------------------Y-------Y---------

speaking tongues -------Y-----------------Y--------Y

power --------------Y-Y-----------Y----Y------------

boldness -------------------Y-Y-----------------Y---

miracles -------------------Y---Y---Y--Y--------Y---

Edited March 9, 2012 by SoGrateful

[Bold Believer]

Since water baptism is an outward expression of the reality of us being buried with Christ and being baptised in the Holy Spirit I would have to say that I would have to be immersed in water. When they bury people they don't thow a little soil on them they cover them completely (6 ft. under). Water baptism must be by complete immersion in water.

Reality: Buried with Christ.

Outward demonstration of the reality: Water baptism

Water baptism is an outward showing to the church and the world of what happened in the reality.

While this is true, it is my understanding that in the Early Church, when the water tables didn't permit total immersion, baptism was accomplished by pouring water over someone until they were completely soaked.

[Floatingaxe]

There were cleansing pools all over due to the practice of Judaism. The early church would have had easy access to water for immersion.