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[Adstar]

Hello all

I am currently having a discussion on another site about prophesy and The Creators understanding of it.

I believe that the Creator knows the future and prophesy in the book of revelations can be trusted, that it will surely come to pass.

The person That I am talking with lets call him Steven believes that the Creator does not know the future but only causes things to occur that is to say works to make his prophesies come true and that no prophesy in the bible is destined to come true. that the Creator can change his mind at any time.

This is a copy of his post using scriptures to back his thoughts. I am not as well read in scriptures as some here and would appreciate it very much if you could all have a read and give me some guidance in replying to his points.

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Dear Adstar,

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Bob if one believes in the scriptures put down in the Bible one must believe in the prophesies contained in it. If the future can be foretold as it is in the Bible than the one who can foretell the future "YAHWEH" Must know the future. To say He doesn't makes the revelation and similar type scriptures just speculation. You have to believe that the Creator of all existence knows the future.

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First, I want to deal with prophecy that didn

[Guest shadow2b]

Hello all

I am currently having a discussion on another site about prophesy and The Creators understanding of it.

I believe that the Creator knows the future and prophesy in the book of revelations can be trusted, that it will surely come to pass.

The person That I am talking with lets call him Steven believes that the Creator does not know the future but only causes things to occur that is to say works to make his prophesies come true and that no prophesy in the bible is destined to come true. that the Creator can change his mind at any time.

This is a copy of his post using scriptures to back his thoughts. I am not as well read in scriptures as some here and would appreciate it very much if you could all have a read and give me some guidance in replying to his points.

Quote from steven

Dear Adstar,

quote:

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Bob if one believes in the scriptures put down in the Bible one must believe in the prophesies contained in it. If the future can be foretold as it is in the Bible than the one who can foretell the future "YAHWEH" Must know the future. To say He doesn't makes the revelation and similar type scriptures just speculation. You have to believe that the Creator of all existence knows the future.

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First, I want to deal with prophecy that didn

[eric]

hey adsar. as yogi bear once said,"it aint over till it's over.I believe that all prophecy will be fulfilled, including the one referred to in your friend's post. As they say, God said it, I believe and that settles it. Have a great day in the Lord.

[Matthitjah]

Hey Adstar,

Try punching upwww.searchgodsword.org.

There are online concordances there as well as study notes and Bible dictionary's.

This should help you in the future.

Here is something I found on Tyre and those particular passages. I will give copyright credit to whom it's due.

This came from The New John Gill's Exposition of the entire Bible.

Ezekiel 26:14

And I will make thee like the top of a rock

[Matthitjah]

P.S Adstar the destruction of tyre did occur under Nebuchadnezzar as predicted. Apparently it was positioned in old days in the harbour on top of a rock jutting out of the sea.

The Tyrinians covered the rock with much soil and dirt to build the city upon. When Nebuchadnezzer destroyed it the sea wall went down and waves came in washing the dirt away. All that is left is the rock on which fishermen stop and repair and cast nets.

The new Tyre he speaks of is positioned on the sea coast of Lebanon and inhabited. The old Tyre was actually in the harbour and remains unihabited

Peace :inlove: Amen

[Perrin556]

In Revelation we read:

" Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter" Rev. 1:19

In other words things past, present and future.  God's plans and purposes will come to past.

When with finite minds we see things unfolding we often wonder "is God in control?"  God is infinite and is not limited by time or space.  Our minds can hardly understand that God's view is eternal, from eternity to eternity; he is not limited to the past and the present as we are, he knows the future, thus our future is in his hand.

When we study the scriptures we find literally hundreds of prophecies which have been fulfilled in Christ.  And we know that there are many yet to be fulfilled.  At times we many be wrong in our interpretations and sometimes we speculate only to find that we are wrong, but God is in total control.

God bless

Robert

[Adstar]

Oh sorry all. I posted a reply here yesterday but I must have pressed a wrong button somewhere  

I just want to repeat my thanks to all your worthy replies and a special thanks to Dr Luke for the link and info   very powerful ammo bro :thumb:

Blessings to your all for your support in shining the light.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Matthitjah]

A ok Adstar,

Your welcome.

If the Lord has purposed it. It will happen! :thumb:

I'm using the ammo of the Word. The sharp two edged sword.

Peace and Blessing's on you Brother. :biggrin:

Peace :inlove: Amen

[Adstar]

Hello kinnear

Always interested in more info. Went to your link and had a look but there is no search feature on that site and there are many, many issues can you tell me what the Tyre one is called is it covered in a document or is it only on audio/video?

can you copy and past the commentary in a post Bro?

Thanks for you post Kinnear

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[godrulz]

Openness

Look under Openness Messages from Others

Steve may be coming from a perspective known as the "Openness of God" theology. This is one of the main controversies today as reported in Christianity Today. Some writers include Clark Pinnock, Gregory Boyd, Sanders, Olson, Otis, Hasker, Rice, McCabe, Wolterstorff, etc.

Some thoughts:

Omniscience is better defined as God knows all that is knowable.

Omnipotence means God can do all that is possible (some things are absurd or logically contradictory for God to do).

Can an omniscient being know the future free choices of man as a certainty before they happen, or does He know them as they really are= possibilities?

Much of prophecy is conditional! and shows God changing His mind and the future in response to man's repentance and prayer (Hezekiah, Ninevah). Predictive prophecy will come to pass since God will make it so regardless of man's choices (First and Second Coming of Christ). Only some of the future is fixed. Much of the future is open when it relates to free will contingencies (may or may not happen).

Time is an endless duration or succession (God is everlasting) and is an aspect of the personal God. The 'eternal now' concept is from Greek pagan philosophy. God experiences the past, present, and future similar to us. He knows the past and present perfectly (unlike us), but some aspects of the future are known as possibilities until they happen and become actual objects of knowledge (like a cosmic chess game).

I believe this theology is more Biblical (read dozens of books and articles on both sides and studied 100s of hours) and presents God as personal, relational and not an unchanging cosmic blob who is not truly free to act, think, change his mind, and experience.

Properly understood, it clears up many contradictions and aburdities with free will, predestination, election, prayer, evangelism, will of God, etc. (Calvinism).

Check out the above websites for a few articles to start your quest for a credible alternative to the traditional view. Steve's view of this prophecy may not be as wrong as it seems. It definitely also does not refer to NYC (shadow2b).