Bold Believer Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Fez, I'd think living near lots of wild animals that you'd have a piece around for protection in that regard. Didn't I recall you saying in a post not long ago you or someone you know had a brush with an animal of some sort? Did you read my first post where I said I have no problem with someone owning a gun? Or that I own a gun which I use at times in my work? No, I confess, I missed that. I'm curious as to why you advocate gun control. Personally, here in the States, and especially where I live, a gun is just about a necessity. Between thieves, home invaders and bears, anyone here who doesn't have a gun is not going to have a good time of it. Police response times are slower due to the rurality of the area. In American inner cities, the name for non-gun owners is "target". I've had that "luxury" as well, living in a major city. The punks see older persons as likely targets and even their own age group as people to be intimidated. Sad, these times we live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Why is everyone more interested in arguing about gun control than rejoicing that students and teachers gathered together in prayer? Or why no one seems to care that a young man's life is still in critical condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.98 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Why is everyone more interested in arguing about gun control than rejoicing that students and teachers gathered together in prayer? Or why no one seems to care that a young man's life is still in critical condition? Neb, I guess it is because as in the treatment any disease one deals with the cause, not the result, if one wants true healing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Why is everyone more interested in arguing about gun control than rejoicing that students and teachers gathered together in prayer? Or why no one seems to care that a young man's life is still in critical condition? Neb, I guess it is because as in the treatment any disease one deals with the cause, not the result, if one wants true healing? Guns aren't the cause. They are nothing more than a tool. The cause was sin the heart of the 15-year old teen who brought the shotgun to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nChrist Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 438 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,947 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1949 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Gun control disarms law-abiding people and leaves guns only in the hands of criminals. In other words, law-abiding people are left without the ability to defend themselves or their families. Criminals obviously pay no attention to gun control laws and aren't effected by bans. Ask those in Australia how well gun control is working for them. Actually from what Candice says in the last post on this, it is not an issue. Just like it is not an issue here. We don't live in constant fear I guess. There are more important things to worry about. But as jacob says, we have differing opinions and that's fine. I just happen to have a different opinion to you, that does not make me right, or you wrong, it just means we voice our different opinions. I will ask the question again of everyone here, and of course being who we are i know we will all be truthful. How many people do you (I mean the posters here) know personally, who have ever had to draw a gun for the legitimate defense of themselves or their family in their own home? You asked the wrong person because I'm a retired police officer of 25 years. I know of hundreds personally. This would be just for the city that I live in, so the actual numbers country-wide would be huge. It would also be ONLY the cases that I know about. So over 25 years you know of hundreds? Say 300? 12 a year be about right? 900? 36 a year? Just trying to see the reasoning behind arming the populace.... KatyAnn's opinion and comment is one I can agree with. But let's acknowledge that this debate will probably go around in circles between us, and there is no "winner" here, and just agree to disagree. Which I think is personally is no problem. We are brothers in Christ and it is OK to disagree on stuff without getting hot under the collar. So, while I respect your opinion, and although I disagree with it, I fully agree with your right to state it. Are we OK? Yes, we are OK and it's fine to agree to disagree. There's only one more ingredient that needs to be mentioned: we have a Constutional Right to keep and bear arms in this country. So, this is one of our specifically listed freedoms that we are NOT willing to give up. Convicted felons don't have the right to keep and bear arms, but they don't obey that law. In other words, criminals are going to keep and bear arms regardless of what laws are passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nChrist Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 438 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 2,947 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/28/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1949 Share Posted August 29, 2012 America is full of guns. Virtually everyone who wants a gun has one. There are two things I have noticed. 1. All the school shootings, theater shootings etc are done by people who have guns. 2. Even with all the gun owners in the U.S. the shootings keep on happening. There goes the argument we need guns to protect ourselves. Evidently, easy access to guns is not working. We need to find away to honor the constitution without endangering the general public every time a nut job loses it. The constitution has been interpreted by the supreme court on multiple occasions to imply that easy access to guns is a right granted there in. There is no way to honor it by not providing that. The main question here isn't even about self defense, it's about criminal behavior. Banning guns will not stop criminals from getting guns just like banning drugs has not stopped drug addicts from getting drugs. Why on earth would someone who is willing to commit murder care about breaking a firearms possession law, a misdemeanor or a low end felony in some cases? It has never made logical sense to me to assume that a person who is willing to commit CAPITAL MURDER, which in a significant percentage of the country carries a sentence of death, is going to have any qualms about buying a gun on the black market with which to carry out said crime. Exactly! Gun control disarms law-abiding people and leaves guns only in the hands of criminals. The playing field of survival would no longer be equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted August 29, 2012 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted August 29, 2012 America is full of guns. Virtually everyone who wants a gun has one. There are two things I have noticed. 1. All the school shootings, theater shootings etc are done by people who have guns. 2. Even with all the gun owners in the U.S. the shootings keep on happening. There goes the argument we need guns to protect ourselves. Evidently, easy access to guns is not working. We need to find away to honor the constitution without endangering the general public every time a nut job loses it. The constitution has been interpreted by the supreme court on multiple occasions to imply that easy access to guns is a right granted there in. There is no way to honor it by not providing that. The main question here isn't even about self defense, it's about criminal behavior. Banning guns will not stop criminals from getting guns just like banning drugs has not stopped drug addicts from getting drugs. Why on earth would someone who is willing to commit murder care about breaking a firearms possession law, a misdemeanor or a low end felony in some cases? It has never made logical sense to me to assume that a person who is willing to commit CAPITAL MURDER, which in a significant percentage of the country carries a sentence of death, is going to have any qualms about buying a gun on the black market with which to carry out said crime. Exactly! Gun control disarms law-abiding people and leaves guns only in the hands of criminals. The playing field of survival would no longer be equal. Certainly, which leaves us more reliant on the government for protection, which is why most socialist are anti-gun in my estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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