Baptism of Repentance

[johnP]

steve.

Jedi4Yahweh

1- Repentance is about turning from SIN and turning to GOD.

1- Agreed. Which means that you change your behavior.

So everyones settled for this definition of repentance then?

Is that for Christians and non-Christians?

johnp.

[tsth]

I'm going to have to get off here for the night, but johnp, I would leave you with this passage:

Matthew 4:17

From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

Mark 6:12 So they went out and preached that people should repent.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[stevehut]

1- I was not asking you about the scripture but what you thought about the scripture.

2- You say then that we did not do it?

3- You say this is only one of the ways?

4- Are you saying that Satan is saved?

1- If the Scripture says that you have to repent to be for given, then I believe that you need to repent to be forgiven. Is it that complicated?

2- Um, last time I checked, Original Sin was about something that Adam did.

3- No I didn't say that there's more than one way to be saved. I said there's more to it than what you mentioned.

4- Nope. Actually, I meant just the opposite.

Some people believe that mere belief is sufficient for salvation. But since Satan himself also believes (James 5, I think), it seems to me that disproves such a theory.

[stevehut]

So everyones settled for this definition of repentance then?

Is that for Christians and non-Christians?

I believe that repentance is necessary for everyone who sins.

And I believe that includes everyone.

[johnP]

stevehut.

I believe that repentance is necessary for everyone who sins.

Necessary for salvation you mean?

So one must repent and believe which means that you must repent before you believe? Is this what you say?

You don't believe that salvation is by faith but that salvation comes through repentance. You degrade faith by saying, "mere belief". It is mere faith that God has decided will save all that come to Him.

Some people believe that mere belief is sufficient for salvation. But since Satan himself also believes (James 5, I think), it seems to me that disproves such a theory.

I mentioned that Jesus said we must believe in Him. That believing in God and believing in Jesus are two separate things and you confuse the two, why? Ehp 2:8-9 says that it is by faith that salvation comes to a person not by repentance. How do we deal with these verses when your sense of repentance overthrows them. Are we talking about Christians or non-Christians?

Posted: Oct 20 2004, 07:37 PM

Nope. Repentance means, among the other things you mentioned, that you change your behavior. Remorse for your sins is useless unless you turn from them.

So you are saying that all the meanings of this word are used as you say all the time? Yet we have not yet decided on a definition have we? If there is one could we have it on show so everyone knows where we are coming from.

Thanks.

johnp.

[johnP]

Good morning Suzanne.

From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." Matt 4:17.

What does repent mean?

Posted: Oct 20 2004, 05:39 PM

REALLY SAVED as an adult after true, heartfelt, repentance?

Salvation is by faith from first to last. If you get repentance wrong then it is not repentance because worldly sorrow brings death. 2 Cor 7:10.

johnp.

[johnP]

Hello yomotalking.

OF COURSE I HAD TO REPENT. WHAT DOES A 5-YEAR-OLD HAVE TO REPENT OF?

ANSWER= ORINGINAL SIN.

May be you would like to correct this error to, "Answer= the effect of original sin."

As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Lk 1:44.

As you say, "OBVIOUSLY, AT FIVE, I COULDN'T DO ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, BUT NEITHER CAN SOMEONE WHO IS CONVERTED ON THEIR DEATH-BED!!!".

Since a fetus can be saved and be conscious of the presence of Jesus I think you were getting on a bit when you were saved.

1SA 2:18 But Samuel was ministering before the LORD--a boy wearing a linen ephod. 19 Each year his mother made him a little robe and took it to him when she went up with her husband to offer the annual sacrifice.

A little boy wearing a linen ephod(Exclamation mark)

But how can this be reconciled with steve's point below?

2- My point exactly. These are things that Jesus expects of his followers, and a young child is incapable of such things.

Samuel was a Priest of the most high and he was such without repentance if steve's statement is correct.

If the objection is raised that we don't know how old he was then the answer to that is, "19 Each year his mother made him a little robe..."

Ok sister?

johnp.

[yomotalking]

OF COURSE I KNOW THAT I DIDN'T COMMIT THE ORIGINAL SIN, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE  ORINGAL SIN, EVERYONE WHO IS BORN IS A SINNER.

Again, I don't think you understand the meaning of the words "Original Sin" and "Repentance". If you did, you might have a different outlook.

I do know the difference between Original sin and Repentence. Repentence has to come from us, but God is the one who gives us the ability to repent.We can't become a Christian unless the Holy Spirit convicts us.

I've still got the letter I wrote when I became a Christian. [ Do remember I was only Five]

Dear Jesus I love you. Please come into my life. I am sorry for the things I have done wrong. Please protect my mind. I come with a SORRY HEART to you!!!

[ Yep, I loved exclamation marks even then.]

There are loads of people who can't become Christians in the way you say. What about mentally disabled people? They can't go out making disciples and all the other things you said. But they can and do become Christians if The Holy Spirit convicts them.

[johnP]

Who baptised John the Baptist?

johnp.

[yomotalking]

Who baptised John the Baptist?

johnp.

Perhaps Jesus, AFTER John baptised him.