The ultimate proof of Biblical creation and God

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FresnoJoe

You have an interesting posting style.

Understand that I am a non-believer who views the Bible as a book that is largely mythological. I have no problem accepting that there was a historical figure who inspired the legend of Jesus Christ but anything supernatural is the product of creative minds attempting to codify an ideology.

Thus. there's a tremendous chasm between our beliefs and your response to get me to your side essentially equates to "jump, trust this book". I do look up the some of the passages you reference but I get the same thing I usually get - this is a human invention. It would be more helpful if you provided some transitions in your own words from what I post to the quotes you chose, otherwise you leave it up to me to fill in the blanks.

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FresnoJoe

You have an interesting posting style.

Understand that I am a non-believer who views the Bible as a book that is largely mythological. I have no problem accepting that there was a historical figure who inspired the legend of Jesus Christ but anything supernatural is the product of creative minds attempting to codify an ideology.

Thus. there's a tremendous chasm between our beliefs and your response to get me to your side essentially equates to "jump, trust this book". I do look up the some of the passages you reference but I get the same thing I usually get - this is a human invention. It would be more helpful if you provided some transitions in your own words from what I post to the quotes you chose, otherwise you leave it up to me to fill in the blanks....

Yes Dear Brother, I Understand You Are Applaud By The Holy Bible And It's Believers And By Their Jesus

For As You Know, The Pagan Will Find No Rest For His Soul Until His Death

And Even That Faux Peace Will Soon Be Found

An Eternal Pyrrhic Victory

Without Christ

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The Blue Stuff Is Eternal And True

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

And All Will Be Given A Book Review

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48

And That Black Stuff

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Isaiah 6:3-5

Is My Stuff

They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him. Psalms 126:5-6

And Do Know I Owe You A Debt Of Love

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:44-45

And With Fear And Trembling I Offer Up His Word In The Sure Knowledge

Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Psalms 2:11

It Will, One Way Or The Other Do It's Holy Work

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55:11

And Perhaps In Time It Will

He will bless them that fear the LORD, both small and great. Psalms 115:13

Bless You Too

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

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The Child Of God

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:15

Is Loved And Knows It

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:17

The Pagan (The Atheist) Is Loved

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

And Proudly Just Does Not See It

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4

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Sorry for coming into this late, but I'd like to discuss the 'morality' section of the OP.....

I don't understand why you would think there are absolutes when it comes to morality. Why do the 5 Central American cultures see it as morally right to murder children?....

It's The Pagan's

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Psalms 8:36

Way

But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel. 2 Kings 16:3

And The Survival Of The Fittest

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 1:20-23

Ain't

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

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Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. Psalms 119:2

Love, Joe

[ByFaithAlone]

And what about absolute truth? Yes or no?

If it's absolutely true that a black hole doesn't reflect any light back, then it's evident that absolute truth exists for some things.

Are you absolutely sure it exists for some things?

Can you please get on with your apologetic line? The anticipation is killing me!

I am trying to determine if you believe there are universal absolutes?

The problem is that you are asking for absolutes in two different cases. One is in the case of morality, the other is any absolute. Trying to make these terms the same is committing the fallacy of equivocation.

Fallen and many others would hold the position that absolute morals don't exist or that morals do not express propositions and are therefore cannot be judged as true or false (two different philosophical positions I am just not sure which one fallen is and decided to play it safe lol). However, I am sure that he would agree that to our knowledge there is an absolute velocity that one can merely approach (the speed of light, c).

Now, being moral realists, you and I can disagree with him on philosophical grounds but you are going about it the wrong way and a logically fallacious way at that.

[Fez]

In my "past" I spent many a night pondering the meaning of life over a bottle of Absolute.

It's one of the finest vodka's out there.......

[ByFaithAlone]

And what about absolute truth? Yes or no?

If it's absolutely true that a black hole doesn't reflect any light back, then it's evident that absolute truth exists for some things.

Are you absolutely sure it exists for some things?

Can you please get on with your apologetic line? The anticipation is killing me!

I am trying to determine if you believe there are universal absolutes?

The problem is that you are asking for absolutes in two different cases. One is in the case of morality, the other is any absolute. Trying to make these terms the same is committing the fallacy of equivocation.

But I a not trying to make these terms the same. He has already explained his thinking about morality. I disagree with him but I understand his answer.

My sincere apologies then... disregard my response lol

[ByFaithAlone]

Yep, moral relativism.

Just on the matter of moral relativism, you criticize Paul and/or God in another thread for supposedly being sexist. Although I believe I provided a more appropriate interpretation of the verses you provided, I was wondering how you arrived at this conclusion that Paul/God was morally wrong?

[ByFaithAlone]

Yep, moral relativism.

Just on the matter of moral relativism, you criticize Paul and/or God in another thread for supposedly being sexist. Although I believe I provided a more appropriate interpretation of the verses you provided, I was wondering how you arrived at this conclusion that Paul/God was morally wrong?

I think you're catching on. So in the context of this thread which you have brought the example of Paul in, it seems like there is no objective morals if we have to justify Paul's approval of sexism through moral relativity.

I think you are missing my point. I am contending that Paul was not being sexist. The women were seated in the back for a mainly logistic and Jewish custom issue. That does not make it moral law. Paul doesn't want them to speak as to avoid distracting from worship. So the ultimate point that we get from these verses today is that we should focus our attention on God during worship.

That aside, I am wondering why you consider it morally wrong if Paul was sexist? Is that not hypocritical?

[Guest HisG]

Fallen: Nope. It's against the species.

HisG: Please expand Fallen. I'm interested to find out more.

Note to Fallen: I always thought Western society had a foundation based on the Ten commandments - murder, theft, adultery...

what say you?

[jasoncran]

why am i think about that briefing on cultural relations where it says that all cultures are equal but different. hmm so islam is ok in what it does.