nebula Posted October 25, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 25, 2004 To Adstar - It seems we have a theological misunderstanding with each other, perhaps? I would just like to share the lyrics of a song with you, and see if you agree or disagree with the message and leave it at that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How can we live in sin Knowing He died to free us From the chains within our soul Let us give the Lord control Of all the things that quickly bind us And walk no longer in darkness CHORUS We belong to Him--We belong to Him Crucified right by His side Bought with a price through one sacrifice We belong to Him Now is the time to understand That sin has no reign on us The power of life in Jesus Christ Has made us free from the ways of death CHORUS We belong to Him--We belong to Him Crucified right by His side Bought with a price through one sacrifice We belong to Him Flesh of His flesh--Bone of His bone Born of His blood--His very own We belong to Him BRIDGE At Calvary God's Son was made an offering The price required--It was paid in full The Word of God was spoken The power of sin was broken God's chosen seed has been redeemed Chorus "We Belong To Him" Jeff Nelson Galatians 2:20/Isaiah 43:1-3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************************************** To Super Jew - It seems we are most definantly at a theological impass. So, we can continue bantering with each other over what constitutes "the wrath of God" and whether or not God still judges nations, or whether the fall of the Roman Empire or any other nation or power that existed since the time of Christ was of the hand of the Lord or jsut whatever fluke that came around - Or whether the Lord tolerates sin any more now than He did before - Or whatever - But I have an Organic Chemistry test this week and as such cannot devote the time I need to present my case. So, you stated your interpretation of prophecy, and I've stated mine, and it's obvious neither of us will change the opinion of the other in any short time. So for now, I bid you adieu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 25, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2004 I've just joined as a member so I'm not quite sure of my way around the site yet. I think that this prophetic word is valid for most of the nations of the world and is a cry from the heart of God so that the CHURCH, who is His body on the earth, can change the status quo by raising up a righteous standard. We know the state of most of the nations but the governments don't know God. We,as the church claim to know His voice. If we as the people of God will humble ourselves, turn from our wicked ways and repent and cry to God, He will hear from heaven and heal our land. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi vitality, welcome to worthy boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 25, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,250 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,981 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 25, 2004 I don't agree with this prophecy. It goes against how God works in the modern era. While He will eventually judge the nations, this "word" shows absolutely no grace, which is a key element in any modern prophetic message. Saying He's going to pour His wrath out on us? Sorry, I just don't see this message as being from God at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dan 5:25 'MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.' NASB I don't see any grace in this, and is somewhat the same as what is being said here. I truly believe that this country has crossed the line and it is pretty much done....... He has the power to protect His own and most likely will; unless this is the end times where the evil one is given the power to overcome the saints and in this case he will give us the strength to check out with grace and meaning..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted October 26, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2004 How can we live in sin Knowing He died to free us From the chains within our soul Let us give the Lord control Of all the things that quickly bind us And walk no longer in darkness CHORUS We belong to Him--We belong to Him Crucified right by His side Bought with a price through one sacrifice We belong to Him Now is the time to understand That sin has no reign on us The power of life in Jesus Christ Has made us free from the ways of death CHORUS We belong to Him--We belong to Him Crucified right by His side Bought with a price through one sacrifice We belong to Him Flesh of His flesh--Bone of His bone Born of His blood--His very own We belong to Him BRIDGE At Calvary God's Son was made an offering The price required--It was paid in full The Word of God was spoken The power of sin was broken God's chosen seed has been redeemed Chorus "We Belong To Him" Now i hope that i do not come across as being difficult Neb but we have a problem and it is the same problem as the prophesy that started this thread. What is the problem? That 10 people can read the same words and come to 10 different conclusions to it's meaning. You see i could say to you now "yes Neb i agree with the message of that song Hallelujah" but we could still both be in disagreement to what the Words mean. Look at the Words of the song Neb. Is the song not full of christianese, of church jargon. Its not what people right that needs to be agreed with or disagreed with its what they think the words mean that needs to be agreed with or disagreed with. That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journey Posted October 26, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1970 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Brian, Thanks for quoting John 1. Jesus is not called the Bible in John Chapter 1. Jesus is the Logos. This was a word drawn from Greek philosophy and would have been well understood by John's audience. Logos is not the Bible. Logos is not a prophecy. I am not going to tell you what John meant. Go do some learning. (Or search through some of my previous posts) - Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypc Posted October 26, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 972 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1964 Author Share Posted October 26, 2004 Steve, I'm not trying to dogg ya man but if want to have credibility with us lowly folks who love Jesus, come down off the mountain and say what your gonna say. So what your saying is God is not one with his logos? or he is? Do you think he's one with his rhema? 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(logos), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words(rema) of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Isn't rhema or rema the subect matter of logos? Logos being the intelligent utterance of laleo or lalia. Please, my brother.(I love ya)......what does this have to do with anything? God is one with his logos, rhema, laleo and lalia. If God hums....he is one with that hum because he is God. In the context of the prophecy, God is simply saying that he is not divided. What he speaks is what he is for he cannot lie. Is he one with the Bible? Yes because all scripture is God breathed. In his love, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted October 26, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted October 26, 2004 But we poor limited humans must struggle each and everyday to do our best to understand each other. Its a hard and frustrating road to travel on isn't it neb. Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherTraveler Posted October 27, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 80 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,595 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/12/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted October 27, 2004 I am not going to tell you what John meant. Go do some learning. Go do some learning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted October 27, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I can't tell you what joy I have received in reading this thread. I wish that it could have been that we were all in one place to break bread and share his wisdom. You have all spoken your hearts and with what grace you had to afford. I am truely blessed to have so many teachers. Myself, I have no will to agree or disagree with any prophesy. Prophesy only serves as proof to witness in its passing. Glory be to God when those prophesies do come to pass. Not warnings to his children, but to those who deny him. I have little knowledge of scripture and a poor short term memory. I have learned a great deal from my brothers and sisters here at Worthy Boards. I can't begin to tell you what joy it is to receive my daily bread. Now I know what it is to hunger. Glory be to him whose flesh is truth, whose blood is life and love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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