There is no Faith vs. Science

[leoxiii]

As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith?

[Barabbas]

The left have been pushing the either, or for decades now. The idea is to paint believers as ig'nurt, book burnin' savages. While of course they appear to be people of reason, intellect, and "just the facts ma'am". It will ever be thus.

[AlexanderJ]

As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith?

To answer your question, I would propose that it all depends on which Scientists you trust and heed. The average layman (I include myself here) can't really follow the mind-boggling complexity of advanced Science. To prove anything to yourself (or to others) empirically you would have to be an expert in many fields of Science, which is, for most people, quite impossible.

I trust God and his Word, and will consider any theory that appears to conform to it.

[Guest]

Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith?

Depends on what you want to count as part of the Christian faith.

You

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:9-12

Think

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

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If And When You Are Ready To Really Know The Living God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

Call On The Jesus Of God's Word, The LORD God

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

The Creator Of The Genesis Of All

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:17-18

Or Not

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

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Believe And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[gdemoss]

As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith?

I am not aware of the existence of atheists on the Garden of Eden.

Ciao

- viole

But oh yes viole, you were there. You were in the loins of your father Adam. So were the rest of your atheist friends! It was a big party but none of you believed it was going on...don't you remember?

[Tinky]

I like your sig Barabbas:

"If Jesus was a Socialist he would have paid for his sacrifice with someone else's blood"

[thomas t]

Science, by definition, does not possess the requirement to comform to anyone's word. If it did, it would not be science.

And this is precisely why there is a Faith Vs. Science, and the name of this subforum is appropriate.

Hi Viole,

you mean that science does not possess the requirement to conform to the words of Christians (or other religious people but let's focus on Christianity here).

From this you infer that there must be a conflict between Christian faith and science. I don't agree with that conclusion and you didn't give any grounds, btw..

In my opinion, science always conforms to God's word if performed properly. In this I agree with the OP.

Blessings

Thomas

[thomas t]

can you make an example of a scientific theory that does not conform to God's Word because it has not been performed properly?

Hi Viole,

no, I cannot make such example.

Or do you filter correctness using conformity to God's Word? IOW: X theory is surely not correct because it does not conform to God's Word.

Well, I'm not so much interested in scientific theories. In this, I am different than you. I am happy to use products that came out of scientific research, though.

Ciao

Thomas

[thomas t]

Viole,

I base my attitudes on faith in the living and almighty God, who is here right among us.

Here you're pretending to speak for us:

Everybody is happy to use the products of science (with the possible exception of the Unabomber), and this is why believers do not want to see a conflict between science and faith. [bolded mine]

Viole, I find it quite nerve-racking that you implicitely brag about being able to know us when you don't show any understanding for the Bible. We love God, we trust him this is why we are happy to use his products.

In any case, science has priority, [...my snip...] ... for both believers and unbelievers.

Are you again pretending to speak for us believers? I would find it awkward that you assume to be able to speak for us.

Can I ask you to leave your assumptions in the field of atheistic attitudes (if anybody is interested in this here)? I would like to speak for myself.

Thomas

[thomas t]

Viole,

I base my attitudes on faith in the living and almighty God, who is here right among us.

Here you're pretending to speak for us:

Everybody is happy to use the products of science (with the possible exception of the Unabomber), and this is why believers do not want to see a conflict between science and faith. [bolded mine]

Viole, I find it quite nerve-racking that you implicitely brag about being able to know us when you don't show any understanding for the Bible. We love God, we trust him this is why we are happy to use his products.

In any case, science has priority, [...my snip...] ... for both believers and unbelievers.

Are you again pretending to speak for us believers? I would find it awkward that you assume to be able to speak for us.

Can I ask you to leave your assumptions in the field of atheistic attitudes (if anybody is interested in this here)? I would like to speak for myself.

Thomas

Alles klar.

Why are you so sensitive? Exposed nerve?

[...]

So, keep cool, and try to articulate a sensible rebuttal for my, potentially wrong, arguments.

Ciao

- viole

Viole,

nice to read some German.

However, what I don't like is the following rubbish: you put up a claim about us. And when I tell you I don't like it, you suggest that I should provide a rebuttal. Are you robbing my time resources? Please stay with your opinions in the field of atheistic attitudes, then I keep cool.

But I will never be shown to be wrong (which I do not necessarily dislike) by using emotional thinking.

you seem to show quite a sound self-esteem in presenting your opinions about us believers. I don't have any idea how that could be justified...

Have a cool evening

Thomas