The Sabbath

[SDAinFLA]

rollinTHUNDER, thanks for your response. I will try to answer your questions as best as possible. Here's my response, in which I will ask you a couple of questions:

This is true, if you are Jewish. This is also true if you wish to remain in your bondage under the Law of Moses.

Genesis 2:2-3 says "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

God kept the Sabbath....How can the Sabbath be the law of Moses when it began before Moses was created? Was God also under the bondage of Moses? Did God keep ceremonial laws in heaven also?

He said He came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, and He did, and it is finished. It's now obsolete. Haven't you heard that Christ came to set the captives free?

If this were true, Matthew 5:17 would say - "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to DESTROY."

Also, if the law is done away with...then what is sin?

If you don't believe me, can you show me just once, where it tells us in the New Testament that Christians must keep the sabbath? By the way, good luck

I call this a self-criteria rebutal...(I have done this at times also ).

In other words, we give our own criteria for truth and then we rebutal it according to our own criteria....let me explain:

It seems from your statement that you are concluding that if something is not re-stated in the New Testament...then it is no longer valid. That is reasonable, but I don't see where this theory comes from.

For instance, God told Noah - "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth." Genesis 9:13

I don't believe this statment is reinstated in the New Testament...but when we see a rainbow, we still know that God will not flood the earth again.

So the answer to your question is ....no. The Sababth is not re-stated in the New Testament...but what scripture says that it has to be?

Thanks for reading, and God bless!

Edited March 3, 2005 by SDAinFLA

[wordsower]

God kept the Sabbath....How can the Sabbath be the law of Moses when it began before Moses was created? Was God also under the bondage of Moses? Did God keep ceremonial laws in heaven also?

SDAinFLA--(you're right, I'm not rollingTHUNDER)

The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27.

and if the Sabbath began before Moses, why would Deut. 5:20 say that the law was for th people present that day and no one before that?

God doesn't keep any laws in heaven. The law is to point out sin, not needed in heaven.

Did you read the article I posted?

[Arthur Durnan]

Bottom-Line for the adherents of ELLEN GOULD HARMON WHITE, 19th-century "Seventh-day prophetess" - WHY NOT PERUSE HER OWN BLUNDERS IN HER OWN WORDS at the following vital Web Sites? -

SDA PROPHETIC MAJOR PROPHETIC BLUNDERS -

http://www.bible.ca/7-prophecy-blunders.htm

ALL SABBATHS - WEEKLY INCLUDED - NAILED TO JESUS' CROSS! COL.2:14-16

http://www.bible.ca/7-co2-14-16.htm

And all the time clearly understanding that the very designation appointed by the followers of ELLEN GOULD HARMON WHITE, ie, "Seventh-day Adventism", is only a 19th-century terminology first employed in the time of ELLEN GOULD HARMOPN WHITE AND WILLIAM MILLER! No disciple, apostle or any follower of Jesus ever called himself a "Seventh-day Adventist." And Jesus Himself never once employed such terminology! As Orville said to Wilbur, "You're Wright!"

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[SDAinFLA]

and if the Sabbath began before Moses, why would Deut. 5:20 say that the law was for th people present that day and no one before that?

I read this scripture but I am not sure if you meant Deut. 5:20. (...shalt not bear false witness.) Maybe you meant vs. 15 (And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day)

I don't see how this states that the law was only for the present people of that day. I believe the law always existed...this is why Cain sinned when he killed his brother....this is why Joseph didn't want to sin and sleep with another mans wife.

But again, I'm not sure which scripture you meant to point out, so I will wait on you to clarify it for me. Thanks

Did you read the article I posted?

Yes I did. I was well written and made a lot of good points that I had never thought about. I agree a lot with the author.

But the writer seems to state that because of the Genesis doesn't state that the evening and the morning were the 7th day that God continued his rest. It's an interesting theory, but I'm not sure I agree with it.

I believe He did rest physically (not going to sleep) but He rested because He stopped creating. "...and he rested on the 7th day from all his work which he had made." Gen 2:2

To me it was a physical rest for God, but we see again that He will "create a new heaven and earth" one day which means the rest cannot be eternally. (let me know if this makes sense.)

One thing I believe the writer failed to bring out:

3 things happend on the 7th day of creation:

God rested on the 7th day

God blessed the 7th day

God sanctified the 7th day

Sabbath rest was what God did physically, but spiritually He blessed and sanctified it.

This brings me to my next question...What happened to the blessing and sanctification?

[SDAinFLA]

The entire kit & caboodle of the Judaic code - not just certain parts of it - were nailed to Calvary's cross. The Apostle Paul is VERY EMPHATIC in Colossians 2. Further, the Ten Commandments, which Ellen Gould Harmon White, founder of 19th-century "Seventh-dayism," thot glowed above all others, was an integral part of the Judaic code, not separate from it....and given to the NATION OF ISRAEL in Exodus 20 & Exodus 31, etc. Followers of EGHW who insist on separating the Mosaic code into three distinct parts are certainly buffaloed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians, the Magna Carta of Liberty for all Seventh-day people, when he refers to the Mosaic code as the SINGULAR code, not separate as EGHW thot in another of her quite imaginary episodes: Colossians 2:16 in the Greek is very outstanding - "THE law" THREE TIMES! SINGULAR, not divided....ONE law, not three

Aurthur, how does the Bible define sin?

[wordsower]

read this scripture but I am not sure if you meant Deut. 5:20. (...shalt not bear false witness.) Maybe you meant vs. 15 (And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day)

HA! THat is the trouble I get into trying to post at work, and today my son is here with me, since the Dr. is outta town and I am getting NOTHING accomplished except for working on a massive headache!

Checking the Gideon bible here,---thank God for the Gideon's, hu? It's Deut. 5: 2 and 3 that I meant.

I'll leave you to read that one and check back in around midnight when the kids are asleep so I can think!

Arthur--give up the Ellen White junk ok?

[SDAinFLA]

read this scripture but I am not sure if you meant Deut. 5:20. (...shalt not bear false witness.) Maybe you meant vs. 15 (And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day)

HA! THat is the trouble I get into trying to post at work, and today my son is here with me, since the Dr. is outta town and I am getting NOTHING accomplished except for working on a massive headache!

Checking the Gideon bible here,---thank God for the Gideon's, hu? It's Deut. 5: 2 and 3 that I meant.

I'll leave you to read that one and check back in around midnight when the kids are asleep so I can think!

Arthur--give up the Ellen White junk ok?

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lol It's Ok...I kept reading that verse...and I was thinking...'Now, I know she can't be thinking of this verse!!!'

Thanks because you had me going crazy for a moment there....

Ok. I will read it and then I will probably respond back on Monday because I don't have internet at home right now.

But again thanks for the article and your Christain witnessing tactics...even if I we dont' see eye to eye at this moment in time, I do appreciate the way that you convey the information to me....I wish Arthur would learn to witness this way.

Talk with ya soon!

[Arthur Durnan]

Self-styled prophetess Ellen Gould Harmon White is the heart & soul of 19th-century "Seventh-day Adventism," a designation COMPLETELY UNHEARD OF AS SUCH anywhere in the Holy Bible. Her adherents do not sppreciciate being tied in with her especially in view of her MONUMENTAL PROPHETIC BLUNDERS as outlined succinctly at the following "SDA" Outreach Web Site -

THERE TWO "SDA" OUTREACH SITES ARE DYNAMIC & "MUST VIEW" -

ELLEN GOULD HARMON WHITE'S MAJOR BLUNDERS:

http://www.bible.ca/7-prophecy-blunders.htm

COLOSSIANS 2:14-16 RE ALL THE SABBATH DAYS NAILED TO JESUS' CROSS!

http://www.bible.ca/7-co2-14-16.htm

The "SDA" clarion call is ever & always the same: Come back to Judaic practices; Come back to Jewish Seventh-day Sabbaths; Come back to an "investigative judgment" (1844) & our explanation of why we miscalculated; Come back to the devil as the Leviticus 16 scapegoat; Come back to Jewish festivals, new moons and Mosaic Sabbaths; Come back to Judaic bondage! Ellen Gould Harmon White, the founder of 19th-century "Seventh-day Adventism" functions, methinks, as a sort of "lighthouse" in the middle of a huge bog. Brilliant her followers think, but useless. "Stand fast therefore in the LIBERTY wherewith Christ has set us free!"

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[wordsower]

Arthur,

What exactly is your motive here? You are not contributing one bit to this discussion and ya know.......if you can't say something nice........

[wordsower]

SDAinFLA,

You asked a few questions that I missed and I have a little time here so let me try to answer them.

You stated that you thought the law was always in existance since Cain had sinned etc and sin is transgression of the law. I understand your point exactly, now let's determine was connstitutes the law. If it is the 10 commandments solely, that leaves me free to commit a lot of acts that I would believe to be sin, such as drug abuse, child abuse, alcoholism etc.

If the Sabbath were eternal would God have sanctified it after creation? No, it would have already been sanctified and Sabbath prior to sin makes no sense, Work and labour only existed after Adam sinned: Gen 3:19 "strangers with your gates, servants" make no sense in the garden regarding the Sabbath.

As I mis-posted earlier,Deut 5:1-5 (not 20) tells us plainly that the law was given that day, no day before, and to no other people, so you ask a good question, how did Cain know that he had sinned? How did Joseph know to run?

Romans 2:14-15 Tells us that God has put a law in everyone's heart. Even if they have never heard of Him. If the Gentiles who have no law do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law to themselves even though they have no law. Abraham was a Gentile and his faith was accounted to him as righteousness. He had a desire to please God and to know God, but no law. I'm sure you know that if you are God's you'll have a hard time sinning and liking it. He has put the Holy Spirit in His own to guide us in all things.

Micah seems to have some trouble understanding exactly what God wants in regards to pleasing Him. Micah 6:6 He writes, "With what shall I come before the Lord and bow down before the exalted God?" Shall I come with burnt offerings? with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the transgression of my soul?

Now notice, Micah is a great prophet of God, just a chapter back in 5:2 he foretold the birthplace of the Messiah! He is an Israeli, he knows the requirements of the law, and how does God respond to him?

"He has shown you o man, what is good, and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."

Love God, Love your neighbor is all it is and all that it ever was. That is the law of God.

Jesus said, no new commandment did I leave you, but that which you knew from the beginning. He said that all the law and the prophets were fulfilled in these two commandments. (Matt. 22:37-40) You can follow the ten and still go see rated R movies, technically, you aren't breaking the law, but "In all you do, do it to the glory of God" puts a big twist in the whole written law.

A little nugget I discovered that sums this up nicely is the Transfiguration. (Matthew 17) Notice it starts with "after 6 days" Jesus takes Peter, James and John up on the mountain, and there appeared Moses and Elijah. Moses representing the law and Elijah representing the prophets. God speaks, says this is My Son, listen to Him, and Moses and Elijah disappear! It's not just a cute story, it is showing us that Jesus is about to fulfill the law and the prophets. It's all about Jesus.

If you read my testimony you saw that I started studying to show my "Sunday keeping" friends wrong. What I found out is that I was wrong. It is a very humbling experience and I know there is that fear of deception so ingrained in us, but what I found is that my God is not going to let any devil in hell deceive me. He is much more powerful than any evil force and I can trust Him. He sent me confirmation to everything He was trying to tell me and I have lost a lot, if you want to say that, as far as family relationships and such, but He didn't promise me that I wouldn't have struggles, He promised me that He would save me if I beleived in Jesus to save me and nothing else.

Blessings and prayers,

Sabra