The Sabbath

[Guest shiloh357]

But if the Bible says - "He shall think to change times and laws..." Daniel 7:25, and the pope says "we changed God's law."

Then, why wouldn't I belive it?

You're taking Dan. 7:25 out of context. It is not a reference to God's Festival or Sabbath laws. To limit the meaning to that context is improper biblical interpretation.

This is a prophecy that has not yet come to pass. It is speaking of the end times, and is global in its application.

[SDAinFLA]

But if the Bible says - "He shall think to change times and laws..." Daniel 7:25, and the pope says "we changed God's law."

Then, why wouldn't I belive it?

You're taking Dan. 7:25 out of context. It is not a reference to God's Festival or Sabbath laws. To limit the meaning to that context is improper biblical interpretation.

This is a prophecy that has not yet come to pass. It is speaking of the end times, and is global in its application.

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Point taken.

[SDAinFLA]

Horizon,

Thank you for your response. It seems as though the real intent of your responses is to show that the 7th Day Adventists are false and their prophet is a false prophet.

But in order to make my point on the Sabbath, I didn't once quote Ellen G White. If your desire is to prove that SDA is false...that is fine with me. I will not defend the SDA church nor wether Ellen is a true or false prophet because I am not asking you to join my church or read her books.

Every arguement that I have for the Sabbath has come from the Bible or history.

If you choose to show me that the Sabbath is not Sabbath you should put down Ellen White's materials and show me from your Bible.

I do however respect your knowledge on the subject, but remember this forum is not about making the other persons denomination true or false...it is to share the gospel. The truth will come out one day - one way or another.

Thank you for your response...and I look forward to anything you have to discuss on the Sabbath. Thanks

[Yahsway]

Greetings HorizonEast, Tell me what the word "forever" means to you?

Is God the same yesterday, today and "forever"?

[Guest shiloh357]

I myself have a Sabbath positive perspective, but I think the SDA church goes too far when it comes to saying that Sunday will eventually be the mark of the beast, and that Sunday keepers will eventually take that mark. There is no Scriptural support for it, and such an allegation really goes beyond the pale.

[SDAinFLA]

Everyone,

I am excited to have such good discussions, but read carefully what my responses have been. I began by showing scriptures regarding why I believe the Sabbath is relevant.

I never mentioned the name Seventh Day Adventist or Ellen White.

I do appreciate your opinions on the SDA church, but my responses were not to point to the SDA church, it was to point you to the scriptures.

Please go back and see my 1st couple of responses, everytime I brought scripture out, the response seemed to be focused on Ellen White or the SDA church.

I love everyone in this forum and am striving to be the best Christian that I can be. If I have offended anyone with my comments, this was not the intent.

I hope that in the future we can learn how to share beliefs without throwing rocks at each other.

Thanks

[Guest shiloh357]

Everyone,

                I am excited to have such good discussions, but read carefully what my responses have been. I began by showing scriptures regarding why I believe the Sabbath is relevant.

I never mentioned the name Seventh Day Adventist or Ellen White.

I do appreciate your opinions on the SDA church, but my responses were not to point to the SDA church, it was to point you to the scriptures.

Please go back and see my 1st couple of responses, everytime I brought scripture out, the response seemed to be focused on Ellen White or the SDA church.

I love everyone in this forum and am striving to be the best Christian that I can be. If I have offended anyone with my comments, this was not the intent.

I hope that in the future we can learn how to share beliefs without throwing rocks at each other.

Thanks               

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So scripturally defend your opinion that the mark of the beast will be Sunday.

[SDAinFLA]

So scripturally defend your opinion that the mark of the beast will be Sunday.

shiloh, I will do my best.

1st, I would have to declare that there will be a lot of Sunday keepers in heaven and a lot of Sabbath keepers in hell. I am not judging anyone here.

Shiloh, I cannot do it all in one response because it would be too long. How about I do it in sections...and then you can comment in between? You seem reasonable, so I believe you would say " "

The Mark of the Beast

In order to understand what the mark of the beast is...you first have to know who the beast is. Once we find out who the beast is...then we can know what his mark is. Make sense?

What did John the Revelator see?

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy ." Revelation 13:1

How does John further describe this Beast?

"And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD , and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR , and his mouth as the mouth of a LION ..." Revelation 13:2

What did Daniel see?

"And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a LION , and had eagle's wings...a second, like to a BEAR ...After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEOPARD ." Daniel 7:3-6

Now, Daniel saw a 4th Beast...how did he describe it?

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly ..." Daniel 7:7

According to Daniel, what did these 4 Beasts represent?

"...The fourth beast shall be the fourth KINGDOM upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms ..." Daniel 7:23 .

If prophecy states that a Beast is a kingdom...then we must understand that the Mark of the Beast is the Mark of a nation

[SDAinFLA]

shiloh, I didn't want to continue if you had a comment to make.

I'm not trying to convert you here...I'm just trying to explain this...so you can just say "continue" or something, but I want to make sure that you don't have any questions on this 1st part.

So let me know that your still alive.

[Arthur Durnan]

Ellen Gould Harmon White's Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath conclusions are, of course, hers and hers alone. If she wished to remain under the Old Covenant & Judaism with its Mosaic principles, fine. But since the Lord Jesus Christ died & conquered death by His glorious, physical, literal & everlasting resurrection, those who love Him now follow Him on resurrection ground.

No Roman "Pope" changed the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath. All four Gospels underscore the fact that Jesus Christ arose on Sunday, the first Day. The very Kingdom of Chrisdt was established on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1), which always fell on "the morrow after the Sabbath (Lev.23:15,16) - always on Sunday, the first Day. The Troas disciples were gathered for worship on "the first Day of the week (Acts 20:7). The Corinth Christians assembled & contributed to the Church treasury on "every first Day of the week" (1 Cor.16:2). Plainly, Moses Law (including the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath) was directed to the Jewish nation as shown in Deuteronomy 5:3, and Nehemiah 9:13,14 for starters. The Apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear - save for Ellen Gould Harmon White - that the law was added "till the seed should come" and that seed was Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:19; cf, 3:16).

When Jesus fulfilled His mission on Calvary (John 19:28), the Mosaic system (including its Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath) passed away (Matthew 5:17,18). Jesus abolished in His Flesh, by His death on Calvary, the "law of commandments (Ephesians 2:15). We are not under the demands of the Old Testament Judaic system (the Law of Moses incl. its Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath) - it has "passed away." The Judaic Law of Moses was given to the Hebrew people only; it was never binding on Christians and is not binding today. It is most unfortunate that the ringing eccentricities & false revelations of Ellen Gould Harmon White have found harbor in an SDA element.

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