The Sabbath

[SDAinFLA]

The Judaic Law of Moses was given to the Hebrew people only; it was never binding on Christians and is not binding today.

Arthur, How does the Bible define sin?

[SDAinFLA]

The Troas disciples were gathered for worship on "the first Day of the week (Acts 20:7). The Corinth Christians assembled & contributed to the Church treasury on "every first Day of the week" (1 Cor.16:2). Plainly, Moses Law (including the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath) was directed to the Jewish nation as shown in Deuteronomy 5:3, and Nehemiah 9:13,14 for starters. The Apostle Paul makes it abundantly clear

How does this qualify it for the changing of the Sabbath?

Because there are instances that show that the disciples met on the 1st day?

Gee...I know several churches that meet on Wednesday nights for Bible study...

Is this your only proof of Sunday being sanctified and made holy?

[Arthur Durnan]

Holy Writ clearly states that, in the present age, the true children of God are distinguished NOT by their observance of "days," nor by their obedience to the Mosaic code - see Galatians 3:10,11, 19-25; 4:8-11; Col. 2:13-17). In the Holy scriptures, NEW MOONS and SABBATHS (2 Kings 4:23) are linked with Colossians 2:16,) ie, NEW MOON AND SABBATH......and both the NEW MOON and the JEWISH SABBATH are passe now! The PENALTY for Jewish Sabbath-breaking is DEATH (Exodus 31:15). One cannot simply state that one will keep the day but obliterate the PENALTY for its breaking. Do you have a FIRE ON in your house on the Jewish Sabbath? DEATH is the penalty. Do you GO OUTSIDE your house on the Jewish Sabbath? DEATH again. (see Exodus 16:29). How can a follower of EGHW go to a church service on the Jewish Sabbath when the Bible commands them TO REMAIN INDOORS on Saturday?! Won't somebody rise and tell?

If SDA folk are to keep the Jewish Sabbath, then WHO has been designated by them to PUT TO DEATH all who fail to do so? Look at Numbers 15:32. The Mosaic code doesn't amounto zip if one calmly with straight face does away with the PENALTY for disobeying Jehovah God.

And too, Jehovah clearly declares in Colossians 2:14 that Israel's Sabbaths - all of them - would cease. "And i will cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her SABBATHS, and her solemn vows." Hmm. Jewish sabbaths are indelibly linked here by Jehovah to "new moons" and "feast days", none of which are incumbent today upon the Church of the Living God.

"Stand fast in the LIBERTY......." Thanks, Apostle Paul!

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[SDAinFLA]

and both the NEW MOON and the JEWISH SABBATH are passe now!

I agree. But let's look at this a little bit closer Arthur:

I believe you're quoting Colossians 2:16-17 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

There are 2 types of Sabbaths that I would like to bring to your attention:

1. The Sabbath of creation.

"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2:2-3

2. The day of atonement was also called a sabbath

"Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD...It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath." Leviticus 23:27, 32

One Sabbath was in regards to creation, the other sabbath in regards to the sacrificial system.

Remeber what Colossians said? - "...Which are a shadow of things to come."

Which Sabbath was done away? Sacrifice sabbath or creation Sabbath?

Hebrews lets us know: "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1

So I agree, the sabbath has been done away...but not the Sababth in regards to God's creation. The sabbath in regards to the sacrifice of Christ.

[SDAinFLA]

Oh yea, Arthur...you never addressed my question -

How does the Bible define sin?

[Guest jina]

Do we all agree that Christ is indeed the Messiah? Do we all agree that He was indeed God manifest in the flesh? Do we alll agree that He did indeed die and rise again the third day according to the scriptures. Do we all agree that we are indeed saved by grace and not works?I cannot understand the obvious divisions in Christiandom.. I ask this question. When we let doctrinal quarrels get in the way of our witness for the Lord are we not allowing satan to slip in... I believe with all of my heart and soul that no man or woman is ever going to truly understand the mystery of our Lord as well it should be..We are definitely living in perilous times and should treat every day as the day we could expect The Lord.. I am convinced that His coming is indeed very close and am doing everything in my power to stay studied up on His word and not let issues such as these to take my mind off of His magnificent coming to take His church home. I am but one person but I implore you all to just focus on the Lord and to try to let tht Holy Spirit guide you in focusing on the harvest.. In His service and love,Jina

[SDAinFLA]

Do we all agree that Christ is indeed the Messiah? Do we all agree that He was indeed God manifest in the flesh? Do we alll agree that He did indeed die and rise again  the third day according to the scriptures. Do we all agree that we are indeed saved by grace and not works?I cannot understand the obvious divisions in Christiandom.. I ask this question. When we let doctrinal quarrels get in the way of our witness for the Lord are we not allowing satan to slip in... I believe  with all of my heart and soul that no man or woman is ever going to truly understand the  mystery of our Lord as well it should be..We are definitely living in perilous times and should treat every day as the day we could expect The Lord..  I am convinced that His coming is indeed very close and am doing everything in my power to stay studied up on His word and not let issues such as these to take my mind off of His magnificent coming to take His church home. I am but one person but I implore you all to just focus on the Lord and to try to let tht Holy Spirit  guide you in focusing on the harvest..  In His service and love,Jina

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Thanks for the very good response. I belive you are correct. We should focus more on the Lord.

[Arthur Durnan]

Paul said SABBATHS, not some, ALL. You have no right whatever to pick & choose the Sabbaths that suit your SDA tenet. They're ALL gone now....including the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath given as a specific sign between Jehovah AND ISRAEL, not the Church Church. ALL Sabbaths are passe. Now we stand on RESURRECTION ground, not that of Judaism any longer.

THANK YOU, LORD JESUS FOR CALVARY!

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[SDAinFLA]

Arthur, let me reason with you for a second.

According to your beliefs you are saying that the Sabbath was done away with because of the death of Jesus Christ, right?

Well then that brings me to another question...How come the 7th Day Sabbath was created before sin?

The Bible says "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2:2-3

It would be one thing if the Bible said "God blessed the 7th day because man sinned," but the Bible says "because he had rested from all His work."

You previously quoted Galations 3:19 "It [the law] was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."

The Sabbath was created before transgression......why would the death of Christ remove it?

[Old Timer]

I will jump in here to offer a compromise that I think is reasonable and perhaps, with some reflection, will be acceptable to those holding a strong position one way or the other.

The early first-century Church was made up originally mostly of Jews. They undoubtedly met on the seventh day, Saturday, continuing their normal worship. Indeed, they had to be corrected about requiring circumcision and keeping all the laws of Moses. These Christian Jews were causing trouble in the synagogues and met with hostility from their fellow non-Christian Jews, so they started to meet on the first day of the week, Sunday, as recorded in Acts. I think this is what may have prompted Paul to write in Colossians 2:16-17