Leadership - 1. Law of the Lid

[Guest]

To clarify I'm not trying to make an idol out of anyone. Kroc was just as an example of a man who had more vision for an organization and was driven to more success than the McDonald brothers.

Amen~!

lol, Mr. Kroc's Wife And The Salvation Army Is The Kind Of Vision That Really Rings My Hallelujah Button

Brother Please Forgive Me

For I Was Raised In A Dale Carnegie / Proverbs Home

And Even As A Young Boy, I Determined Proverbs Stands Far Above And All Alone In The Truth Department

So, For Me There Is Something Menacing About Mixing Man's Motivational Tools In With God's Personal Admonishments And Encouragements

And Thus I Tend To Run And To Run Hard To Jesus Whenever Leadership Issues Appear In Ministries

Grandpa Moses Is A Personal Favorite Of Mine And Based On His Change

From The Pending Almighty Leader Of The Almighty Egypt

Into A Humble Servant Of THE Almighty

I Know He Was A

God Trained

Leader

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) Numbers 12:3

The Bottem Line Is I Will Kneel Beside You And All Of The Folks On Worthy

Praying For God's Hand Behind Everything Posted

And Every Decision Made By Believers

And Unbelievers Alike

And With Great Joy I Thank God

For Your Love And Prayers And Tears And Work

In His Holy Service, Your Brother Joe

[GoldenEagle]

To clarify I'm not trying to make an idol out of anyone. Kroc was just as an example of a man who had more vision for an organization and was driven to more success than the McDonald brothers.

Amen~!

lol, Mr. Kroc's Wife And The Salvation Army Is The Kind Of Vision That Really Rings My Hallelujah Button

Brother Please Forgive Me

For I Was Raised In A Dale Carnegie / Proverbs Home

And Even As A Young Boy, I Determined Proverbs Stands Far Above And All Alone In The Truth Department

So, For Me There Is Something Menacing About Mixing Man's Motivational Tools In With God's Personal Admonishments And Encouragements

And Thus I Tend To Run And To Run Hard To Jesus Whenever Leadership Issues Appear In Ministries

Grandpa Moses Is A Personal Favorite Of Mine And Based On His Change

From The Pending Almighty Leader Of The Almighty Egypt

Into A Humble Servant Of THE Almighty

I Know He Was A

God Trained

Leader

Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) Numbers 12:3

The Bottem Line Is I Will Kneel Beside You And All Of The Folks On Worthy

Praying For God's Hand Behind Everything Posted

And Every Decision Made By Believers

And Unbelievers Alike

And With Great Joy I Thank God

For Your Love And Prayers And Tears And Work

In His Holy Service, Your Brother Joe

I understand brother. Have a bit of patience with me. If I go off the deep end or am not solid in my doctrine presented please feel free to call me on the carpet.

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

B. Law of the Lid: Similarities & Contrast- David and Saul

2 Sam. 5:1-4

¹ Then all the tribes of Israel came to David at Hebron and spoke, saying, “Indeed we are your bone and your flesh. ² Also, in time past, when Saul was king over us, you were the one who led Israel out and brought them in; and the Lord said to you, ‘You shall shepherd My people Israel, and be ruler over Israel.’” ³ Therefore all the elders of Israel came to the king at Hebron, and King David made a covenant with them at Hebron before the Lord. And they anointed David king over Israel. ⁴ David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.

Why did Saul fail as Israel’s King, while David succeeded? First David relied on God while Saul relied on himself. But the answer can also be found in the law of the Lid: Leadership ability determines a person’s level of effectiveness. While David lifted many lids (overcame challenges) with God’s help, Saul’s attitude and spirit kept the lid clamped down firmly on his leadership.

A. Both received counsel from godly men.

Samuel, the last judge of Israel, anointed both men. And both received the benefit of godly counsel – Saul from Samuel; and David from Samuel and later with Nathan the prophet.

B. Both faced great challenges.

Every leader faces obstacles, tests, and trials. Saul and David sometimes faced the same ones. Take Goliath for example. When the huge Philistine offered to fight Israel’s champion, both Saul and David heard the challenge. Saul, Israel’s greatest warrior and God’s anointed king, hid in fear. David, a mere boy, eagerly faced the challenge trusting in God and God used David to win the victory for God’s name.

C. Both had the choice to change and grow.

Saul and David reacted very differently when confronted with their shortcomings. When Samuel rebuked Saul for making an unauthorized burnt offering to God, King Saul spoke not a whisper of sorrow or repentance. Evidently Saul kept on the same course.

David possessed an entirely different kind of heart. David was by no means perfect. When Nathan confronted King David after the sordid incident with Bathsheba, David broke down and sorrowfully repented.

Source: Leadership material from John C. Maxwell.

[GoldenEagle]

B. Law of the Lid: Similarities & Contrast- David and Saul (Cont.)

2. The Lids that Limited King Saul

God removed all the external lids from Saul’s life when the son of Kish ascended the throne. So what limited Saul?

A. Fear: Saul began his reign by hiding among the equipment. He didn’t trust God.

B. Impatience: Saul refused to wait for Samuel and offered an illegal sacrifice. He didn’t trust God.

C. Denial: Saul continued as though continued as though all was well even after Samuel declared that God had rejected him as king. He didn’t believe God.

D. Impulsiveness: Saul rashly made an oath that almost cost him the life of his son. He didn’t lean on God’s strength and wisdom.

E. Deceit: Saul offered his daughter Michael to David, hoping the young man would die in battle to win her hand in marriage. Saul was self-deceived and so sought to deceive others for his own perceived gain.

F. Jealousy: Saul became enraged when the people compared him to David, and from then kept a jealous eye on the young man. Saul relied on people’s opinion rather than God’s.

G. Anger: Saul repeatedly tried to kill David. Saul repeatedly, habitually broke God’s commandments.

3. The Lids that Did Not Limit King David

David also had many lids on his life both internally and externally, but they did not limit his trust in God:

A. His family:

David’s limitations started at home. When Samuel asked Jesse to gather all his sons so God could reveal the next king of Israel, no one thought to invite young David. His brothers thought no better of him than their father. When David visited the battlefront his brothers scorned him. When David defending God’s honor and spoke out against Goliath’s blasphemy his brothers insulted him and instructed him to go back home. Yet God chose David as he was a man after God’s own heart.

B. His leader:

Saul continually tried to sabotage David’s leadership and effectiveness. When David offered to fight Goliath, Saul told him, “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him.” (1 Sam. 17:33) Then Saul tried to convince David to use the king’s heavy armor – though David rejected such protection as he leaned on God. For many years Saul tried to kill David. What a great leader to follow! Even though his circumstances were difficult David trusted God to protect him and guide him.

C. His Background:

David came from a family of poor shepherds. His father, Jesse of Bethlehem, lacked both lofty lineage and powerful position. David wasn’t even the eldest in his family; seven older brothers all came before him. Yet God raised David to the highest position in the land. God chose David and David trusted/obeyed God.

D. His youthfulness and inexperience:

At the time Samuel anointed David, the boy had no experience leading anything but sheep. Yet he did trust God to fight off wild animals and give him victory. When David stepped forward to fight Goliath, others considered him “only a youth,” as he had never fought a wartime battle. Time and again people underestimated and disrespected him. Yet David put his trust in God and became a mighty warrior. God used David to expand Israel’s boarders and conquer God’s enemies.

Bottom Line: The issue here is not whether you have lids. Everyone has limitations and challenges in their lives.

The issue is: are you trying to handle your own challenges or trust God to overcome those challenges and develop you as a leader/disciple in Christ’s army?

Your thoughts on any of this discussed?

God bless,

GE

Source: Leadership material from John C. Maxwell.

[GoldenEagle]

OldShep, walla299, SavedByGrace1981, FresnoJoe, others any thoughts?

God bless,

GE

[OldShep]

OldShep, walla299, SavedByGrace1981, FresnoJoe, others any thoughts?

God bless,

GE

At this time just one thought crossed my mind, a saying from one of those leadership books, that by the way gave credit to God. Any way the saying does like this: " Very often we are our own worst enemy as we foolishly build stumbling blocks on the path that leads to success and happiness." Those paths include being followers of Jesus to being one of the best workers in the job that you have today. We all need to shine the light of the Lord to those around us, the words we use are heard, but our actions are often louder than any word we may ever say. Which leads to another book, titled "Walk The Talk"...

Success is often misunderstood, it is seen as a person with great wealth for many, where as I see success in the work of the people that clean the bathrooms at mine Church, or the shiny floors of the office building that I walk across. Success is in the heart of the person that has overcome the "Lids" as you call it, to become the Best at whatever they choose to do. Keeping one's eyes on God, and placing Jesus at the center of your world, has made some leadership decisions easier for me and at times very hard. I really hated to assign a person a mission that I knew had a very low return rate, or to fire someone because they failed to perform up to standards that all others were able to reach.

Edited to add: Second Guessing yourself is also a "lid".. We learn form the errors of the past, trying not to repeat them and move on.

False Guilt is another "lid"... Blaming others for our choices.... another...and in some cases blaming oneself...

My birthday is 12 Feb. and my family had personal pictures of Abraham Lincoln so as a child I took great interest in the man. One statement made by him to an officer who's mission failed, was " My great concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure".

Contentment is at times a paralyzing force, that keeps you from moving forward, stuck in the pass..stuck in the Laws..without Grace with out Faith...

bye the way, good job!

ICL~~~Dennis

[SavedByGrace1980]

This has the potential to be an excellent study on leadership, GE.

Thank you for initiating it. It's kind of interesting that the first two individuals who were called to be the kings of Israel - Saul and David - presented such a contrast in leadership. There is much "meat" to be "chewed on" here.

Whenever I've led a Bible Study, I've been challenged in two basic ways:

1. To make it interesting - not just for "entertainment value" (for that is fleeting), but to make it interesting enough that those involved in the study will want to dig deeper into the Scriptures for themselves.

2. To make it relevant. This is tougher, sometimes.

I'm not sure where you want to take this (and I'll defer to your "leadership" here), but I believe a Bible Study on leadership should have much relevancy for any Christian today who wants to be all that God wants him/her to be.

Without getting too specific or personal, I mentioned earlier that I've struggled with the whole leadership concept since I came to Christ 32 years ago. The part where the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the household is a particular area where I have to confess I've fallen short at times.

And yet - we see in the leadership of David - the times where he too fell short (far short) of where God wanted him to be. We see how he handled those times. Like I said, much to chew on there.

Well, I'm looking forward to continuing this. Once again, thanks.

Blessings!

-Ed

[GoldenEagle]

We all need to shine the light of the Lord to those around us, the words we use are heard, but our actions are often louder than any word we may ever say. Which leads to another book, titled "Walk The Talk"...

Success is in the heart of the person that has overcome the "Lids" as you call it, to become the Best at whatever they choose to do. Keeping one's eyes on God, and placing Jesus at the center of your world, has made some leadership decisions easier for me and at times very hard.

Edited to add: Second Guessing yourself is also a "lid".. We learn form the errors of the past, trying not to repeat them and move on.

False Guilt is another "lid"... Blaming others for our choices.... another...and in some cases blaming oneself...

My birthday is 12 Feb. and my family had personal pictures of Abraham Lincoln so as a child I took great interest in the man. One statement made by him to an officer who's mission failed, was " My great concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure".

Contentment is at times a paralyzing force, that keeps you from moving forward, stuck in the pass..stuck in the Laws..without Grace with out Faith...

Dennis,

Wow I guess I guess I missed this post. Thanks for your thoughts and insights. Good stuff. I agree we’re to give God all the credit for anything good in our lives.

1. Success – I agree we’re to do whatever God calls us for His glory. Good examples.

1 Cor. 10:31

Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.

Col 3:17

Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

2. Second Guessing – We don’t live in fear of making the same mistakes. We give up our failures to God and trust Him to direct us in the future. In Christ is our hope.

1 John 4:16

So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

Rom. 15:13

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

3. False Guilt – We are not to blame others for our choices. We will all be accountable individually to Christ for our actions. We are to take up our cross and follow Christ. Blaming others for our decisions is childish. Living in fear because we blame ourselves and do not move on is also wrong. God remembers our transgressions no more as He forgives us.

Prov. 28:13


He who covers his sins will not prosper,
 But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.



Gal. 6:5


For each one shall bear his own load.



2 Cor. 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Luke 9:23

Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

1 Cor. 13:11


When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

Ps. 103:12

As far as the east is from the west,

So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

4. Contentment – I agree contentment can be a paralyzing force. As Christians we’re to push forward in freedom towards the goal of Christ. Christ came to give us life abundantly! We are no longer under the law of sin and death but free in Christ through God’s grace.

John 8:32

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free

John 10:10

Christ The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Gal. 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Rom. 8:2

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

God bless,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

This has the potential to be an excellent study on leadership, GE.

Thank you for initiating it. It's kind of interesting that the first two individuals who were called to be the kings of Israel - Saul and David - presented such a contrast in leadership. There is much "meat" to be "chewed on" here.

Whenever I've led a Bible Study, I've been challenged in two basic ways:

1. To make it interesting - not just for "entertainment value" (for that is fleeting), but to make it interesting enough that those involved in the study will want to dig deeper into the Scriptures for themselves.

2. To make it relevant. This is tougher, sometimes.

I'm not sure where you want to take this (and I'll defer to your "leadership" here), but I believe a Bible Study on leadership should have much relevancy for any Christian today who wants to be all that God wants him/her to be.

Without getting too specific or personal, I mentioned earlier that I've struggled with the whole leadership concept since I came to Christ 32 years ago. The part where the man is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the household is a particular area where I have to confess I've fallen short at times.

And yet - we see in the leadership of David - the times where he too fell short (far short) of where God wanted him to be. We see how he handled those times. Like I said, much to chew on there.

Well, I'm looking forward to continuing this. Once again, thanks.

Blessings!

-Ed

I agree making things interesting and relevant is the key. But I’m not talking about leadership psycho babble… I’m talking about leadership in the Bible. I think potentially we’re as Christians are all leaders in the sense that we’re given a task to tell others of Christ and make disciples. To make disciples more efficiently a good idea would be to study God’s Word on what worked and what didn’t work for leaders. This is the reason for the study/series.

Matt. 28: 16-20

The Great Commission

¹⁶ Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had appointed for them. ¹⁷ When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

¹⁸ And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. ¹⁹ Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, ²⁰ teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Thank you for your contribution and heart Ed.

God bless you brother!

In Christ,

GE

[GoldenEagle]

C. The Law of the Lid: As the Leader Goes, So Goes the Nation

1 Kings 14:1-15:34

Thought I'd already posted this. Guess I overlooked it. In any case it is not uncommon to overlook some of the chapters regarding the Kings of Israel and Judah. However, there are good lessons to be learned. Leadership ability combined with God’s mercy is the lid on the success of a nation or organization. When Israel or Judah lived under good kings, things went well. Under bad kings, things went sour.

The heart (whether following God or his/her own purposes) and skill (natural God-given and that which is developed) of a leader will always tremendously affect the life of the people under his or her direction. This is a law, both timeless and universal. See how this law played out under the Hebrew Kings of the Old Testament:

a. Good Kings

1. Drew loyalty from their people

2. Enjoyed victory over sin

3. Enjoyed peace within the kingdom

4. Were affirmed by God’s prophets

5. Enjoyed prosperity

6. Opposed evil kings

b. Bad Kings

1. Drew rebellion from their people

2. Saw bondage to sin

3. Suffered turmoil within the kingdom

4. Were rebuked by God’s profets

5. Often endured natural disasters and war

6. Opposed good kings

Thoughts? How does that apply today?

God bless,

GE