Is this the real reason behind Sandy Hook?

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Amid national soul searching in the wake of one of the worst mass shootings in American history, faith leaders say the removal of God from the nation’s schools and communities is at the root of this monstrous tragedy.

Marshall Foster, a Christian historian, founder of the World History Institute and author of the introduction to the newly-republished 1599 Geneva Bible, says he’s sick of the media’s attempt to make excuses for Adam Lanza’s mass murder of school children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

In the face of all the “politically correct mumbo jumbo,” Foster says the culprit is “not an imbalance of chemical enzymes in Lanza’s brain; the culprit is Lanza’s sin nature.”

For years, public schools have been teaching children that evil does not reside in their souls and is therefore, by default, circumstantial, Foster says, and according to this misguided worldview, there must have been something circumstantially that caused Lanza to shoot innocent children.

“So when we look at the tragedy that just took place and we start blaming … we immediately go to guns and other purported causes,” Foster told WND. “We go to some external cause: It’s his psychology, it’s his mother, it’s the divorce. It’s something outside, instead of looking at the real cause, which for thousands of years since the time of Christ, people have understood to be good and evil.”

Mankind, Foster says, always looks for excuses “outside himself,” but he never wants to face the “demons in his own soul.”

“If Lanza’s mass murder of innocents is given a pass, what about the thousands of Nazis who killed six million Jews? Did all of them have autism too? Or is the Holocaust not prima facie evidence of the very existence of evil?” Foster asked.

A number of faith leaders in the past week have weighed in on the spiritual dimensions of what may have motivated Lanza, 20, to kill his mother, 20 children and six adults at the school before killing himself.

As police seek a motive, the London Daily Mail reported Dec. 19 that a former classmate claimed Lanza “worshipped the devil and had an online page dedicated to Satan.”

In a blog posts earlier this week, New York Times bestselling author Joel Rosenberg – author of “Implosion: Can America Recover from Its Economic and Spiritual Challenges in Time?” – wrote the slaying is the 18th mass murder this year.

“The demons of violence and lawlessness are on the loose all across America – in Newton, Conn., …in Aurora, Colo., … in Oak Creek, Wis., … just as they were in Littleton, Colo., and at Virginia Tech in years gone by,” Rosenberg wrote. “But why? How is it possible that violent crime in the United States has surged by more than 400 percent since 1960?

“The answer is as painful as it is simple: The further we turn away from God in our nation – the further we drive Him out of our society, out of our schools and courts, and out of our media and out of our homes, or the more we give mere lip service to religion, the more men are ‘holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power’ (2 Timothy 3:5) – the worse things are getting.”

Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, governor of Arkansas, bestselling author and host of the Fox News Channel talk show “Huckabee,” said on Fox that Americans are asking why there is so much violence “in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools.”

“Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?” Huckabee asked. “We don’t have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem. And since we’ve ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn’t act so surprised … when all hell breaks loose.”

Mat Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, told WND that the shooting and similar ones in recent years are indicative of the nature of evil, and, “When evil is unrestrained, these are the kinds of unbelievable human tragedies that we see.”

“The Founders believed that religion and morality were necessary for a government of limited authority, which provides a lot of freedoms,” Staver says. “Without religion and morality as the base, they knew the government would devolve into chaos. We have to be a self-restrained people with morals. And the way people would be moral is through the teaching of Judeo-Christian values and beliefs and that there is a God to whom they are accountable.”

But schools no longer teach the Ten Commandments, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled school prayer was unconstitutional in 1962. As long as the nation continues to “marginalize God” in its public life, Staver says, the country can expect “more and more of these types of tragedies.”

“The solution is not to create more laws restricting guns,” Staver says. “If you restrict guns, people will use knives. If you restrict knives, people will use explosives. Those are only tools that people use, and those are not the problem. It’s the root cause we need to get to, and that’s the brokenness of humanity. The only way evil can be restrained is by God and the teaching of religious and Judeo-Christian values.”

In an article posted at Movieguide.org, Movieguide Publisher Ted Baehr wrote that by removing God, the Bible, the Ten Commandments, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit from society, including the mass media and the schools, “We are raising generations of people with no faith in God or Jesus and, hence, no moral conscience and no self-control.”

If so many people have no faith, no moral conscience and no self-control, then it’s no wonder society is suffering from all these mass murders by “evil lone gunmen,” Baehr wrote.

Baehr told WND he wasn’t surprised by the news reports that Lanza purportedly “worshipped the devil” and played violent video games.

“In my first book, ‘The Media-Wise Family,’ I have a whole chapter about opening yourself up to demonic possession,” Baehr said. “The forces of darkness would like nothing more than for someone to kill their mother and little children. It’s always been the goal of the adversary to kill, steal and destroy.”

Rick Scarborough, a pastor and the president and founder of Vision America, told WND that “our culture had better recognize quickly that God has a role to play in protecting us” and instead of “slapping God on every hand,” the nation needs to repent and turn back to God.

“I do believe that right now what America desperately needs is what we used to call an old-fashioned revival,” Scarborough said. “There will have to be a reawakening to biblical norms and biblical values. When President Obama prayed last week on behalf of the victims in Newton, Conn., and invoked God’s name, he appealed to God, but this is the same person whose party tried to eliminate God from its political platform.

“We have now a God of convenience. When we want God to bless us or want to acknowledge God in some way to encourage people, we’ll invoke his name until the cows come home,” Scarborough said. “But God is not a puppet. He’s to be feared and adhered to and his laws, which are irrefutable, must be obeyed.”

Rather than looking just at external solutions like more gun control, Foster says, everyone needs to look deeply into the “wickedness in our own hearts” at the root of not only this tragedy, but a series of intensifying and horrific incidents in recent decades.

“It’s not just (Lanza’s) heart; it’s not this one man – Adam – that we should be looking at,” Foster says. “It should be ourselves. What do we allow our children to sit in when we send them to a public school that doesn’t teach them moral principles? What kind of character do we have as a people, not just looking at Connecticut, when we allow a government to steal our wealth and money and allow babies by the millions to die in abortion, and when we allow the basic moral precepts of Christian civilization to be destroyed in a couple of generations?

“What kind of moral character do we have, and is it not ultimately our sin?” Foster asks. “We’ve got to own up to it – especially the Baby Boomers. Of all generations, there has never been a more blessed, physically blessed generation, than the Baby Boomers of World War II, and that’s my generation, and we are the most accountable. I believe we’re going to have to face God Almighty for what we have allowed to happen to our country.”

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[Guest]

No doubt there is a spiritual reason behind what happened at Sandy Hook. Evil does exist in this fallen world, even though some would say it doesn't exist. Evil is really the only option left in a culture that has systematically removed God and His laws from the public square.

There is another issue about this mass shooting that hasn't been touched on much by the Lame Stream Media: How this country doesn't care for the mentally ill.

[Bold Believer]

WND also ran a story about Satanism being responsible.

[Guest bryanw92]

No doubt there is a spiritual reason behind what happened at Sandy Hook. Evil does exist in this fallen world, even though some would say it doesn't exist. Evil is really the only option left in a culture that has systematically removed God and His laws from the public square.

There is another issue about this mass shooting that hasn't been touched on much by the Lame Stream Media: How this country doesn't care for the mentally ill.

I had a friend who used to complain about how Reagan "cut off funding for the mental hospitals" and that's why we have so many crazy people wandering the streets today. I did some reseach and found that Reagan did cut off funding because the mental hospitals were empty! It seems that the ACLU and other well-meaning groups decided that committment to mental hospitals and the forced treatment of the insane amounted to unlawful incarceration and they went out judge shopping to put an end to people being committed to mental hospitals. They found the judge they were looking for and he ruled in their favor, emptying the mental hospitals in California almost overnight. They found some more judges and soon enough, through judicial activism, it became impossible to commit a person who had not committed a serious felony. In other words, it was decided that it was best to wait for Adam Lanza to open fire before we treat him.

Today, we treat the mentally ill by giving them a bottle of pills and telling him to take them and to report back if he feels crazier. Yeah. That's going to work.

I do agree that our fundamental problem with these shooters and the homeless is that we aren't allowed to give them the treatment they need. But, more funding will not fix the problem until we can make them take the treatment. In fact, our catch and release program that hands out pills seems to make the problem worse because the patients don't take the pills regularly and that creates an entirely new and worse problem in the patient.

[LOVE SONGS]

No doubt there is a spiritual reason behind what happened at Sandy Hook. Evil does exist in this fallen world, even though some would say it doesn't exist. Evil is really the only option left in a culture that has systematically removed God and His laws from the public square.

There is another issue about this mass shooting that hasn't been touched on much by the Lame Stream Media: How this country doesn't care for the mentally ill.

I had a friend who used to complain about how Reagan "cut off funding for the mental hospitals" and that's why we have so many crazy people wandering the streets today. I did some reseach and found that Reagan did cut off funding because the mental hospitals were empty! It seems that the ACLU and other well-meaning groups decided that committment to mental hospitals and the forced treatment of the insane amounted to unlawful incarceration and they went out judge shopping to put an end to people being committed to mental hospitals. They found the judge they were looking for and he ruled in their favor, emptying the mental hospitals in California almost overnight. They found some more judges and soon enough, through judicial activism, it became impossible to commit a person who had not committed a serious felony. In other words, it was decided that it was best to wait for Adam Lanza to open fire before we treat him.

Today, we treat the mentally ill by giving them a bottle of pills and telling him to take them and to report back if he feels crazier. Yeah. That's going to work.

I do agree that our fundamental problem with these shooters and the homeless is that we aren't allowed to give them the treatment they need. But, more funding will not fix the problem until we can make them take the treatment. In fact, our catch and release program that hands out pills seems to make the problem worse because the patients don't take the pills regularly and that creates an entirely new and worse problem in the patient.

So you are saying that homless people are mentally ill ?

I have been homeless before and am not mentally ill .

I lost my house due to a divorce settlement. I had no where to go.

I lived in a bible study room ,in a church for a while.

Homeless people are, homeless and have no where to go. It doesn't mean that they are mentally ill.

Then, I lost my apt. for hurricane Gustav, a tornado took it... It put me homeless, again.

Reagan is not the problem that there are more mentally ill people today.

I would blame it on either of some of these things...

genetic

birth defects of the brain

stress ..and the lost of something in their life

addiction to alcohol

addiction to street drugs

etc.

Some people never showed any kind of mental illness, then they just snap and kill themselves or maybe others .

They give up on life..I suppose , I do not know what makes a person go over the edge.

There is the influence of the music and movie industry , or the media that may seed the wrong things in a persons mind.

Regardless if they are normal or mentally ill.

The corruption is much more great in todays society than ever before.

Those who are on meds. for their problem ..those meds. can have side-effects to them , that can make them go over the edge in their behavior.

Or those meds. can have the same type of effect on them are to stop taking their meds....they can still go over the edge.

Adam Lanza had mental problems and must have been seeing a Doctor for it...for his mother was going to put him in a home.

[Guest]

So you are saying that homless people are mentally ill ?

I have been homeless before and am not mentally ill .

Reagan is not the problem that there are more mentally ill people today.

I would blame it on either of some of these things...

genetic

birth defects of the brain

stress ..and the lost of something in their life

addiction to alcohol

addiction to street drugs

etc.

Some people never showed any kind of mental illness, then they just snap and kill themselves or maybe others .

They give up on life..I suppose , I do not know what makes a person go over the edge.

There is the influence of the music and movie industry , or the media that may seed the wrong things in a persons mind.

Regardless if they are normal or mentally ill.

The corruption is much more great in todays society than ever before.

Those who are on meds. for their problem ..those meds. can have side-effects to them , that can make them go over the edge in their behavior.

Or those meds. can have the same type of effect on them are to stop taking their meds....they can still go over the edge.

Adam Lanza had mental problems and must have been seeing a Doctor for it...for his mother was going to put him in a home.

No, I don't think he's saying all homeless are mentally ill. Some of them are, and many recieve the "treatment" described. I see them on a daily basis since I'm on mass transit. Some are so out of it that they really do need someone to take care of them. Example: the guy I saw on the 24th -- wearing shorts and t-shirt, plus a ratty blanket and sleeping bag like a cloak in 40 degree weather and ranting at people who were not there. He was in his own world, wandered into traffic, and was almost hit twice. A person like that needs help.

[LOVE SONGS]

So you are saying that homless people are mentally ill ?

I have been homeless before and am not mentally ill .

Reagan is not the problem that there are more mentally ill people today.

I would blame it on either of some of these things...

genetic

birth defects of the brain

stress ..and the lost of something in their life

addiction to alcohol

addiction to street drugs

etc.

Some people never showed any kind of mental illness, then they just snap and kill themselves or maybe others .

They give up on life..I suppose , I do not know what makes a person go over the edge.

There is the influence of the music and movie industry , or the media that may seed the wrong things in a persons mind.

Regardless if they are normal or mentally ill.

The corruption is much more great in todays society than ever before.

Those who are on meds. for their problem ..those meds. can have side-effects to them , that can make them go over the edge in their behavior.

Or those meds. can have the same type of effect on them are to stop taking their meds....they can still go over the edge.

Adam Lanza had mental problems and must have been seeing a Doctor for it...for his mother was going to put him in a home.

No, I don't think he's saying all homeless are mentally ill. Some of them are, and many recieve the "treatment" described. I see them on a daily basis since I'm on mass transit. Some are so out of it that they really do need someone to take care of them. Example: the guy I saw on the 24th -- wearing shorts and t-shirt, plus a ratty blanket and sleeping bag like a cloak in 40 degree weather and ranting at people who were not there. He was in his own world, wandered into traffic, and was almost hit twice. A person like that needs help.

he did say... " these shooters and homeless "

Homeless people are, homeless and have no where to go. It doesn't mean that they are mentally ill.

Some people are wondering on the street and are not mental. They are people in need. They need assistance of others.

Like samaritan help, like Jesus discribed in the bible.

[Guest bryanw92]

So you are saying that homless people are mentally ill ?

I have been homeless before and am not mentally ill .

I lost my house due to a divorce settlement. I had no where to go.

I lived in a bible study room ,in a church for a while.

Homeless people are, homeless and have no where to go. It doesn't mean that they are mentally ill.

Then, I lost my apt. for hurricane Gustav, a tornado took it... It put me homeless, again.

Reagan is not the problem that there are more mentally ill people today.

I would blame it on either of some of these things...

genetic

birth defects of the brain

stress ..and the lost of something in their life

addiction to alcohol

addiction to street drugs

etc.

Some people never showed any kind of mental illness, then they just snap and kill themselves or maybe others .

They give up on life..I suppose , I do not know what makes a person go over the edge.

There is the influence of the music and movie industry , or the media that may seed the wrong things in a persons mind.

Regardless if they are normal or mentally ill.

The corruption is much more great in todays society than ever before.

Those who are on meds. for their problem ..those meds. can have side-effects to them , that can make them go over the edge in their behavior.

Or those meds. can have the same type of effect on them are to stop taking their meds....they can still go over the edge.

Adam Lanza had mental problems and must have been seeing a Doctor for it...for his mother was going to put him in a home.

I'm not saying that all homeless people are mentally ill. But, I've worked a homeless shelter and spent quite a lot of time talking to the chronically homeless (which you were not because you lost your home and then recovered) and all the ones I know admit to having mental illnesses and take medication for them. But, they tell me that they don't like to take the meds because it affects their mood. Quite a few have also "lost their ID" so they can't get more meds (or be reported to the authorities).

I'm not an expert on the homeless and my knowledge is anecdotal at best, but this is what I've learned from them. We live in a society where there is plenty of help and people who need help get something. It might not be all they need, but it is something. The homeless people I have known want help on their terms, but do not want to be tied down to an address, job, or treatment program. One common theme that I've observed is that they want to recieve the benefits of society without participating in that society. That is a mental illness.

I agree with you that they do need the assistance of others. But that help needs to be curative and not something to enable them. This is the only reason that I lumped them in with crazed shooters. People like Adam Lanza were passed through the system for years and everyone knew that he wasn't right, but there was no means to get him the real help he needed because his civil rights were more important than his mental health. Now, that's a slippery slope when you start talking about taking away civil rights to treat people for mental health, but look at where the government is now? They want to curtail our second amendment rights so people like Adam Lanza can "safely" roam the streets.

[Guest]

The cause was not mental illness. The cause is that GOD does not exist in American society. See, even those who have changed the dicussion of this thread from GOD to mental illness have taken GOD out of the discussion.

[LOVE SONGS]

So you are saying that homless people are mentally ill ?

I have been homeless before and am not mentally ill .

I lost my house due to a divorce settlement. I had no where to go.

I lived in a bible study room ,in a church for a while.

Homeless people are, homeless and have no where to go. It doesn't mean that they are mentally ill.

Then, I lost my apt. for hurricane Gustav, a tornado took it... It put me homeless, again.

Reagan is not the problem that there are more mentally ill people today.

I would blame it on either of some of these things...

genetic

birth defects of the brain

stress ..and the lost of something in their life

addiction to alcohol

addiction to street drugs

etc.

Some people never showed any kind of mental illness, then they just snap and kill themselves or maybe others .

They give up on life..I suppose , I do not know what makes a person go over the edge.

There is the influence of the music and movie industry , or the media that may seed the wrong things in a persons mind.

Regardless if they are normal or mentally ill.

The corruption is much more great in todays society than ever before.

Those who are on meds. for their problem ..those meds. can have side-effects to them , that can make them go over the edge in their behavior.

Or those meds. can have the same type of effect on them are to stop taking their meds....they can still go over the edge.

Adam Lanza had mental problems and must have been seeing a Doctor for it...for his mother was going to put him in a home.

I'm not saying that all homeless people are mentally ill. But, I've worked a homeless shelter and spent quite a lot of time talking to the chronically homeless (which you were not because you lost your home and then recovered) and all the ones I know admit to having mental illnesses and take medication for them. But, they tell me that they don't like to take the meds because it affects their mood. Quite a few have also "lost their ID" so they can't get more meds (or be reported to the authorities).

I'm not an expert on the homeless and my knowledge is anecdotal at best, but this is what I've learned from them. We live in a society where there is plenty of help and people who need help get something. It might not be all they need, but it is something. The homeless people I have known want help on their terms, but do not want to be tied down to an address, job, or treatment program. One common theme that I've observed is that they want to recieve the benefits of society without participating in that society. That is a mental illness.

I agree with you that they do need the assistance of others. But that help needs to be curative and not something to enable them. This is the only reason that I lumped them in with crazed shooters. People like Adam Lanza were passed through the system for years and everyone knew that he wasn't right, but there was no means to get him the real help he needed because his civil rights were more important than his mental health. Now, that's a slippery slope when you start talking about taking away civil rights to treat people for mental health, but look at where the government is now? They want to curtail our second amendment rights so people like Adam Lanza can "safely" roam the streets.

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I'm not an expert on the homeless and my knowledge is anecdotal at best, but this is what I've learned from them. We live in a society where there is plenty of help and people who need help get something. It might not be all they need, but it is something. The homeless people I have known want help on their terms, but do not want to be tied down to an address, job, or treatment program. One common theme that I've observed is that they want to recieve the benefits of society without participating in that society. That is a mental illness.

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Those who are on the streets do not know where to go and to seek for help to get on their feet.

You never had to walk in their shoes .

Yes I was just as they are ... homeless... I do know what it is like ...sharing a sandwich with, another homeless person that was also hungry.

At one time I lived in my car .

Some don't have that ...they have to live under bridges , in tents, etc.

especially those who lost their jobs and homes , due to the economy.

They are heartfilled human beings ..I must tell you.

BTW... those who snap and kill themselves or others , may have a home and family .

Please don't target just the homeless... that are mentally ill.