OneLight Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 But that's what atheists would have us believe, that after death there is nothing. It is what "comforts" them. So to you, your belief is there is heaven or nothing? That doesn't sound so bad now does it? Care to elucidate a bit on your comment on hell, and show us with scripture why you so believe? It's Heaven or judgement and execution. The prevailing attitude among even fundamentalist Christians is that execution of sinners (aside from the most extreme criminal offenders) is excessive. If execution is excessive, why isn't execution enough? I've never heard a fundamentalist, or any believer, say that eternal punishment was excessive. That is His call, not ours. You're not following what I said. I believe she is. Perhaps you can be more clear since you say we are not ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 Revelation 14 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 Scripture points to an eternity of torment. Not annihilation. You choose to disregard His word. Mark 9 47 And if your eye offends you, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes to be cast into hell fire 48 where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVE SONGS Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 In the old testament peoples' sins were forgiven by God only through the sheading of blood. ( an animal sacrifice) Not to be argumentative, but sin was never forgiven in the OT. The sacrifices were to cover the sin. When people died, they all went to hell, which had two sides. One was for those whom God considered "Rightous" where they awaited the Messiah, the atoning death of Christ; and the other side for those who were lost who suffered pain and torment. When Christ rose again and went to "sheol" he took those awaiting their "Savior" with Him into Heaven and the lost stayed in hell to await the Lake of Fire. (quote) Parker Not to be argumentative, but sin was never forgiven in the OT. The sacrifices were to cover the sin. When people died, they all went to hell, which had two sides -------------------------------------------------- People that died all went to hell and hell had 2 sides . Where is that in scripture ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVE SONGS Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 131 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,188 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 8 Joined: 04/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 People that died all went to hell and hell had 2 sides . Where is that in scripture ? Everyone who died in the OT went to Hell, the grave. The OT doesn't teach anything about two sides of Hell. The idea of two sides of Hell might come from Jesus's parable of the rich man and Lazarus, addressed in my previous post in this thread. One side would be called Abraham's Bosom, where the righteous go. The side for the wicked is a place of torment. The two sides are separated by a chasm which can't be crossed, but can be communicated across. This can't be a real description of Hell because it implies that the dead are judged at the moment of death. But, the NT teaches that judgement isn't until after the dead are resurrected. Parker said that . I was just repating what he said. That hell had 2 sides. Pick up the whole post please . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 People that died all went to hell and hell had 2 sides . Where is that in scripture ? Everyone who died in the OT went to Hell, the grave. The OT doesn't teach anything about two sides of Hell. The idea of two sides of Hell might come from Jesus's parable of the rich man and Lazarus, addressed in my previous post in this thread. One side would be called Abraham's Bosom, where the righteous go. The side for the wicked is a place of torment. The two sides are separated by a chasm which can't be crossed, but can be communicated across. This can't be a real description of Hell because it implies that the dead are judged at the moment of death. But, the NT teaches that judgement isn't until after the dead are resurrected. Parker said that . I was just repating what he said. That hell had 2 sides. Pick up the whole post please . That comes from when Jesus said to the thief that on this day you will be with me in paradise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted December 28, 2012 But that's what atheists would have us believe, that after death there is nothing. It is what "comforts" them. So to you, your belief is there is heaven or nothing? That doesn't sound so bad now does it? Care to elucidate a bit on your comment on hell, and show us with scripture why you so believe? It's Heaven or judgement and execution. The prevailing attitude among even fundamentalist Christians is that execution of sinners (aside from the most extreme criminal offenders) is excessive. If execution is excessive, why isn't execution enough? I've never heard a fundamentalist, or any believer, say that eternal punishment was excessive. That is His call, not ours. You're not following what I said. And you are not posting any scripture to back your doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Everyone who died in the OT went to Hell, the grave. The OT doesn't teach anything about two sides of Hell. The idea of two sides of Hell might come from Jesus's parable of the rich man and Lazarus, addressed in my previous post in this thread. One side would be called Abraham's Bosom, where the righteous go. The side for the wicked is a place of torment. The two sides are separated by a chasm which can't be crossed, but can be communicated across. This can't be a real description of Hell because it implies that the dead are judged at the moment of death. But, the NT teaches that judgement isn't until after the dead are resurrected. It Can't Be Because..... Because You Now Preach Jesus Lied? And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:47-48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 28, 2012 Eisleben, you have not addressed this post yet. Will you answer the question? Let's examine the "execution' theory. This idea would allow me to live as much of a sinful life in the flesh I wanted to and when my life was over, poof ... gone, no remorse or consequences, just gone. What is there to loose for living this life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted December 28, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Eisleben, you have not addressed this post yet. Will you answer the question? Let's examine the "execution' theory. This idea would allow me to live as much of a sinful life in the flesh I wanted to and when my life was over, poof ... gone, no remorse or consequences, just gone. What is there to loose for living this life? Yes, as Onelight asks, please answer, and perhaps my post asking the same thing? But that's what atheists would have us believe, that after death there is nothing. It is what "comforts" them. So to you, your belief is there is heaven or nothing? That doesn't sound so bad now does it? Care to elucidate a bit on your comment on hell, and show us with scripture why you so believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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