For the love of Eve.

[shammah]

The Lord took the fall of man, to birth the Son's of God; and He is working this thing out for His glory ; we should no longer blame Adam or Eve; but trust that He is working all things together for those called according to his purpose!

This is a very tough issue and should be approached with much Agape and grace.

I believe the woman was first decieved, and Adam, out of Love for his wife also partook of the fruit. I believe that the serpent could have decieved either one, and we should not blame either, but God knew, and God allowed!

God even saw that sin would be passed through mans seed; so that the woman could recieve Gods seed and birth the Messiah; and in so helping Christ crush the one who decieved her!

1 Tim 2:13-15;

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve;(1)

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but [the] woman who was deceived and deluded and fell into transgression.(2)

15Nevertheless [the sentence put upon women of pain in motherhood does not hinder their souls' salvation, and] they will be saved [eternally] if they continue in faith and love and holiness with self-control, [saved indeed] [1] through the Childbearing or by the( birth of the divine Child).

God knew and always makes away of escape! For either Adam or Eve to resist the temptation of the second most powerful being; and In that they knew nothing of sin or deception. I believe the fall was unavoidable, God could have warned Adam and Eve of the serpant and it's results, but a lesson for all eternity, and a plan of salvation was already planned!

There are all the stories of Eve being decieved but Adam taking with full knowledge, so that Adam was the main transgressor; but this is not what the scripture says! One took and gave to the other and they both partook; It was the woman who was first decieved, and I believe that man chose out of Love for the woman, more than his bond to God to also eat the fruit!

Genesis 3

1NOW THE serpent was more subtle and crafty than any living creature of the field which the Lord God had made. And he [satan] said to the woman, Can it really be that God has said, You shall not eat from every tree of the garden?(1)

2And the woman said to the serpent, We may eat the fruit from the trees of the garden,

3Except the fruit from the tree which is in the middle of the garden. God has said, You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.

4But the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die,(2)

5For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil and blessing and calamity.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good (suitable, pleasant) for food and that it was delightful to look at, and a tree to be desired in order to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she gave some also to her husband, and he ate.

7Then the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves apronlike girdles.

8And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

9But the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, Where are you?

10He said, I heard the sound of You [walking] in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11And He said, Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?

12And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me--she gave me [fruit] from the tree, and I ate.

13And the Lord God said to the woman, What is this you have done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled (cheated, outwitted, and deceived) me, and I ate.

14And the Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all [domestic] animals and above every [wild] living thing of the field; upon your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust [and what it contains] all the days of your life.

15And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her [1] Offspring; He will bruise and tread your head underfoot, and you will lie in wait and bruise His heel.(3)

16To the woman He said, I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and craving will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.

17And to Adam He said, Because you have listened and given heed to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it, the ground is under a curse because of you; in sorrow and toil shall you eat [of the fruits] of it all the days of your life.

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth for you, and you shall eat the plants of the field.

19In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you shall return.

20The man called his wife's name Eve [life spring], because she was the mother of all the living.

21For Adam also and for his wife the Lord God made long coats (tunics) of skins and clothed them.

22And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of Us [the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit], to know [how to distinguish between] good and evil and blessing and calamity; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live [2] forever--

23Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.

24So [God] drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden the [3] cherubim and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep and guard the way to the tree of life.(4)

Yes the Man did blame the woman,and it does indicate that the woman gave to Adam the fruit to eat, but at the same time he could have chose his love for God over his love for the woman, at this point!

I believe Eve was created because Adam was lonely for one such as himself; and or one to make him complete. The bond between them would become so great that Adam would join in the fruit as to not be separated!

If Adam gave any thought to it at all , or whether it was spontaneous, if Adam had time to consider, he knew that he could loose Eve, and be separated for ever by what she had done!

So I not only see it as a deception, of which both took part, but of a love story, where man chose woman over God, whether much thought or little, man chose Eve, and ate the fruit!

It says that now man has become like God Knowing both good and evil ! This was known, and part of the plan that man must sacrifice himself to choose good over evil!

Yes they both had the choice, but God knew the outcome, and He would bring forth the Second Adam to restore a man who would choose good over evil, and overcome even the most subtle deception!

Gen.3:15;

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I hope to bring peace to this issue, man has blamed Eve from the beginning, and Woman has blamed Adam for eating also!

The pain and birth of the ultimate Man-Child; the seed and Sons of God, was made possible by the fall, so that God could bring forth something so good, that the Devil meant for evil!

God is now seeing us not as male or female,(though there is a Family structure to honor),or Jew or Gentile, but ones being prepared as a spotless bride, unspotted by the world, and virgins concerning the true faith and doctrine!

I see this as two love stories; the fall where man loved woman more than God and the deception was inevidable; And the Greatest Love Story, where Man and Woman, knowing good and evil, choose Jesus and follow him over all others, even each other!

Romans 8:18-23;

18[but what of that?] For I consider that the sufferings of this present time (this present life) are not worth being compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us, and in us and [7] for us and [8] conferred on us!

19For [even the whole] creation (all nature) waits expectantly and longs earnestly for God's sons to be made known [waits for the revealing, the disclosing of their sonship].

20For the creation (nature) was subjected to [9] frailty (to futility, condemned to frustration), not because of some intentional fault on its part, but by the will of Him Who so subjected it--[yet] with the hope(4)

21That nature (creation) itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and corruption [and gain an entrance] into the glorious freedom of God's children.

22We know that the whole creation [of irrational creatures] has been moaning together in the pains of labor until now.(5)

23And not only the creation, but we ourselves too, who have and enjoy the firstfruits of the [Holy] Spirit [a foretaste of the blissful things to come] groan inwardly as we wait for the redemption of our bodies [from sensuality and the grave, which will reveal] our adoption (our manifestation as God's sons).

2 Tim. 1

9[For it is He] Who delivered and saved us and called us with a calling in itself holy and leading to holiness [to a life of consecration, a vocation of holiness]; [He did it] not because of anything of merit that we have done, but because of and to further His own purpose and grace (unmerited favor) which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began [eternal ages ago].

Romans. 8:27-31;

27And He Who searches the hearts of men knows what is in the mind of the [Holy] Spirit [what His intent is], because the Spirit intercedes and pleads [before God] in behalf of the saints according to and in harmony with God's will.(6)

28We are assured and know that [[10] God being a partner in their labor] all things work together and are [fitting into a plan] for good to and for those who love God and are called according to [His] design and purpose.

29For those whom He foreknew [of whom He was [11] aware and [12] loved beforehand], He also destined from the beginning [foreordaining them] to be molded into the image of His Son [and share inwardly His likeness], that He might become the firstborn among many brethren.

30And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself). And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being].

31What then shall we say to [all] this? If God is for us, who [can be] against us? [Who can be our foe, if God is on our side?](7)

We Agape; Love you all; lets us be one in Spirit and Faith; and see that the Lord has brought this original sin, and turned it around to be the most glorious and precious of Gifts, bought by the blood of our Savior, and makings of the Sons of God!

Agape; Ephraim.

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Yah Shua, the Messiah, our Savior, our Beloved, is our All, in All, and without Him, we are nothing.

[shammah]

Put off the old adamic nature, and put on the new Adamic nature=Christ Jesus.

The old man, must be put down, and the new must be taken up, thus, the resurrection of the dead in Christ in our minds now, but later, our full being, being transformed, translated, in a twinkling of an eye.

Shalom, and Love in Yah Shua, shammah

[nebula]

Agape; Ephraim.

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Shalom, and Love in Yah Shua, shammah

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Are you two different people using the same account?

[shammah]

Yah; Nebula:

Shammah and I are husband and Wife; we tried to get separate accounts on the same computer but had some trouble.

Shammah doesn't write much anymore on this board, and Ephraim; thats me ; well I've come to the conclusion that we don't fit in here.

We're just nobodies, trying to please the Lord; trying to speak the truth in love.

But there seems to be alot of grey area's on the truth, and alot of anger that we no longer want to deal with.

There have been some who have shown love, and we may drop in now and then ,or PM some of them,but I think it's time to move on.

This will make some happy, but we agape you all in Christ our Lord: Shammah& Ephraim.

[Guest yod]

I believe the woman was first decieved, and Adam, out of Love for his wife also partook of the fruit.

I disagree (surprise!)

I think if Adam really loved his wife (like Messiah loves the ecclesia) he would have interceded for her instead of giving into temptation....kinda like the Second Adam did for His bride.

So Eve was deceived and Adam knew exactly what he was doing.

[Guest shiloh357]

I believe the woman was first decieved, and Adam, out of Love for his wife also partook of the fruit.

I disagree (surprise!)

I think if Adam really loved his wife (like Messiah loves the ecclesia) he would have interceded for her instead of giving into temptation....kinda like the Second Adam did for His bride.

So Eve was deceived and Adam knew exactly what he was doing.

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Exactly right, Yod. It is through Adams's sin that the universe fell. Sin is a willful rebellion against the revealed Will of God. Adam could not have sinned and not know what he was doing. Eve was decieved but Adam had recieved the command of God, and disobeyed anyway.

Also, had Adam loved His wife, He would not have blamed her for His sin. Adam would have taken FULL responsibility. He would have begged for the judgement of God to fall on Him alone, and Eve be spared.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

I thank you for your expressed Love.

I do want to clarify something?

God even saw that sin would be passed through mans seed; so that the woman could recieve Gods seed and birth the Messiah; and in so helping Christ crush the one who decieved her!

It would seem that you are saying that somehow sin has passed up the woman so that she could expressly birth the Messiah?

We must understand that mans seed. The seed of Adam is born of the flesh of an act of the flesh. God's seed is born of an act of God, by His Holy Spirit. God planted His seed in Mary. She was a sinner. She was obedient by Faith. In her weakness God was Glorified. The seed planted in her was the Seed of God. Fruit of the Spirit. She was a willing vessel. Seed sown crop grown.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

Ro